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don't run and hide don't be afraid

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and now your host the captain of

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conspiracy the prince of paranormal

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this ain't your daddy's radio network

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march 21st we are 80 days into the new

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and as always we are live from the jp

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got a great one tonight

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it's gonna be a lot of fun for kjcr

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and the dark matter radio network i am

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your host jimmy church

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we are live live

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as opposed to being live

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tonight's gonna be great

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started off with a big proud salute to

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the men and women in uniform all around

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there is no us and you couldn't hear me

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today actor gary oldman is 56 years old

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soldier spy absolutely amazing movie and

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hey singer eddie money is 65 years old

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i'm going to leave the edgy manage

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jokes alone a friend of mine is his

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drummer and so i'm going to be kind our

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dead guy birthday today is a remarkable

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his birthday died in 1750 follow us on

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bringing him on he's sitting in front of

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bumper music tonight as always is doug

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steve had asked me uh during uh uh right

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you got any cool rock and roll music

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this malaysian plane missing plane i had

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malaysian airlines something to indicate

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minister and you're going to get up and

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the mysterious atmospheric trumpets all

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these uh trumpets around the world and

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any in your town i don't care what oh

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listening to right now but i want to

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i've compiled a bunch of stuff and a

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i'll be playing that for you next week

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know taping this it's absolutely nuts so

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they're just not now

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the death that i've always brought up i

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thrown off the building thrown out a

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some crazy form of cancer that sneaks up

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the the chatter is out there right now

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i'm going to have my list uh here i've

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got my list of mysterious deaths and

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the ones that i don't have and we're

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to be a great night tonight it is pizza

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anniversary of the show the show is

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grown and grown i want to thank

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everybody out there

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everybody that has helped us and all of

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the support

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uh the forums the emails the phone calls

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uh just everything uh we are very very

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very thankful i'm appreciative

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and uh this is a snowball rolling

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downhill it's out of control

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and i love it it is so much fun to do

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this every single night

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even if i've got a guy like richard

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even that was fun

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but

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again i just want to say thank you it's

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going to be a fun night and this show

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tonight is for everybody out there and

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so let's go ahead and take our first

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break when i come back we will have

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steve marillo and we'll take it from

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there all right everybody fade to black

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i'm your host jimmy church today is

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friday

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steve is that rock and roll enough for

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you is that rock and roll okay i'll

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crank it up here in a second this is

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the dark matter radio network i'm your

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host jimmy church kjcr shoot us an email

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we are live from burbank california

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three-month anniversary what are we

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going to do at one year

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we'll be back right after this don't

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oh

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you're listening to jim

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any church fade to black on the dark

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what's up revolutionaries it's me jimmy

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church do you have an irs or state tax

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issue well i did and i called national

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tax experts my problems were fixed done

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for me and man i got to tell you it was

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a relief

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national tax experts are recognized tax

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give them a call i'm telling you they

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take the time to understand each and

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status as well as their financial goals

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and that's exactly what you need my

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brother when you're taking on the evil

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three letter so seriously give them a

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again

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dot com tell them jimmy sent you

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this is kjcr

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all right everybody welcome back fade to

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on a friday night

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now

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shoot me an email to jimmy

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jimmychurchradio.com i just saw a couple

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of come in most compelling ufo incidents

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of all time

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shoot me an email jimmy

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jimmychurchradio.com you got twitter

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at church radio twitter's open right in

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it's gonna be a great show

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and don't forget

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the one ufo incident

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that you would want to have made into a

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movie that isn't a movie yet

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hasn't been done what is it i have mine

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mine

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i never hear anybody talk about it i i

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just never do and wait till i break this

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out tonight

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and i think

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uh i i honestly do i honestly think that

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everybody's gonna go

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yeah

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i forgot about that one and you are

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right

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i'm not talking about keksberg

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you know i'm not talking about any of

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that stuff

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so uh we'll see okay all right

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so um uh the call in line three two

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three eight two five fifty forty five

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and uh let's uh let's get moving here

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let's get cracking

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is that number two is that cracking

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number two

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tonight keith hey keith i'm looking at

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the jitter i'm looking at your notes

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here coming in

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and if you want to reset on the next

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break just let me know if uh if it

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doesn't chill out okay

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all right i am reading keith

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steve morillo

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grew up in california

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as a child of the sixties he's still a

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child of the sixties

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graduated from the us naval academy with

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a degree in systems engineering in 1982

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and then was commissioned as an office

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sir in the united states marine corps

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semper fi and was an a4 fighter pilot he

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left the military in 1987 he went over

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to trw systems as an engineer for

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satellites

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then in 2000 for the next 13 years he

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became the director of mufon los angeles

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which was at the time the largest

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chapter of mufon international and now

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today currently he's he's splintered off

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he's now the director of upars la uh a

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great a great group that i visited often

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and that's the when we did the richard

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dolan show by the way uh that's uh that

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was put together by steve and well the

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network and us but uh that was at the

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upars um

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meeting here in los angeles i'd like to

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welcome to the show

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mr steve murillo steve how you doing man

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doing great jimmy thanks for having me

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back appreciate it beer and pizza oh

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that's what got me here no i'm kidding

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i'm kidding

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oh man all right so welcome to the show

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and it's uh you know what we got a call

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coming in already let's take it all

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right let's see let's see let's just

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let's just fly with it

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on the air who's calling

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hey my name's dawn how you doing how you

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doing don say hi to steve

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hey don hi steve

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what what you got for us tonight steve

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or don i'm sorry

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yeah this is about uh the malaysian

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flight uh maybe it's a little bit off

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topic but can i give you my theory

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absolutely uh that's the first thing we

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were going to jump into tonight so uh

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what do you think what before i ask you

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that okay don what do you do for a

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living i mean what do you do

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well right now i'm in china and i'm

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teaching english and i can give you a

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little perspective on what all the

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chinese are doing they have conspiracy

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theories and they think it's the

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americans behind this

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is that is that now that's that's

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interesting is that yeah it's that

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chatter on the street or is that in the

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papers or

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well

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um i can't read the papers and all of

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that but uh is the chatter from uh you

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know everybody thinks the malaysian

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government is hiding something from the

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chinese

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from china uh and they say they wouldn't

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do this unless the americans were behind

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it so that's uh

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any speculation going on you know in

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their minds here but here's here's where

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i'm going with this um

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security concerns are pretty strong at

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this point especially after september

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11th everybody's kind of acutely aware

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of airplanes flying around

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and i have to assume

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that when an airplane goes off course

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um there is an international agreement

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i'm assuming two things here one is that

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there's an international agreement that

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everybody

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for a commercial flight will notify

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everybody in the universe hey a flight's

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gone off course we can't contact it um

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be aware of this all of the national

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defense

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this is this is for mutual protection

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absolutely he's going to tell everybody

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absolutely um

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the second thing is i think there are

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probably transponders or something like

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that on every airplane that nobody on

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the airplane can turn off i don't

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believe it's possible that boeing or

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anybody or the us government for example

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would allow boeing to make an airplane

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that somebody could just put into

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stealth mode and oh we're not we can't

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find you anymore

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now that's not so critical but here's

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what i think happened

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somebody has a new technology

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and the new technology can control an

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airplane from off the airplane in case

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of another 911 situation yeah

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that that talk is going around right now

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i had a i had a pilot on the show the

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other night

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um and i talked to him off of the air

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and that was one of the things i asked

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him

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is is it possible to remotely control a

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777 and he didn't answer me

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so i don't know i got an answer what's

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that uh well now

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i'm sorry i think somebody's got it and

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i just don't let me interrupt you

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playing let me know they called somebody

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and said we're gonna take this plane

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there's not a damn thing you can do

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about it now why is nobody saying

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anything about this would you announce

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to the world if you were any government

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china russia america england france

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anybody would you say uh somebody out

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there has the technology to take our air

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to take any airplane and we can't do a

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thing about it they don't

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put chaos into the air traffic don can

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you hear me

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nobody would fly all right don you can't

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yeah i can hear you oh you can oh i'll

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give you that oh okay

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hey don uh steve marillo here um yeah

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back uh randy

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hi uh you know we the nasa demonstrated

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technology like this

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right around before 911 they had that

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tech they did they took off and landed i

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think it was a 747 remotely and it

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didn't have pilots and it didn't have

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any in it they did it so that

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technology's been around for a long long

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time um well every time they do a crash

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test okay that's that's flown remotely

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but here's the question if you're if

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you're tying it in with the us what

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would the motivation be

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you know why in other words no i'm not

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tying it in with no i know you're not

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i'm saying that

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the papers you're reading or the what

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you're hearing out there in the news

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what would the motivation be what's what

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are they saying would be the why why

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would the u.s be behind something like

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this what's what's the motivation well

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you know

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um don i don't mean i don't mean to cut

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you off but i that's what i was kind of

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leaning to at the beginning of this show

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was now i'm starting to it's starting to

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twist my mind around and i'm starting to

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think wrong thoughts

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and here's one other thought for you don

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and for steve and for everybody

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listening right now

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i thought about this earlier today and i

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haven't heard anybody mention this

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we have submarines

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that can detect

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anything

562
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,400
any movement any noise any slightest

563
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:34,159
anything for

564
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,960
my hails underwater

565
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:39,120
you can detect a silent submarine

566
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,559
buzzing around and they know what

567
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,559
submarine it is just by its acoustic

568
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:44,159
signature

569
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:47,200
done finished and they can't pick up

570
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:50,559
the ping that is going off from any any

571
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:53,120
emergency locating beacon that is right

572
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,600
now that is activated

573
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,120
you know it's got a 30-day battery

574
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,120
everybody knows about this after 30 days

575
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,440
it's going to slowly fade away but are

576
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,840
you telling me that our submarines

577
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:05,760
can't detect that

578
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:06,880
it must be

579
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:11,760
know i would think you could hear it on

580
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:13,840
the other side of the earth

581
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,120
you know like like whales

582
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,360
this this plane didn't crash they know

583
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,279
where it is but they can't let anybody

584
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,279
know they know where it is and i think

585
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:25,200
all the governments know they can't tell

586
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:26,880
people there's some rogue group out

587
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,520
there or somebody has the technology and

588
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,440
if you fly in an airplane they can take

589
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,039
it yeah

590
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:35,440
exactly but don that's my point

591
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:38,320
that's my point if it's crashed we would

592
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,080
know exactly where it is that's my point

593
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,159
and that's why my thoughts are going

594
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:49,110
i don't know what to think i really

595
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,720
don't know go ahead steve okay well

596
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:52,400
first of all getting to the transponder

597
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:55,200
yeah in most cases in most jets in fact

598
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,720
you know the jets i used to fly the

599
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,480
transponder was just a little box you

600
00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:00,240
could switch it off there's no problem

601
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,919
in newer jets i have no idea what the

602
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,440
technology is but

603
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,600
uh probably it's just that simple

604
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,440
there's a transponder i mean in fact i

605
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:09,120
know that i was looking at a cockpit of

606
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,440
of a triple seven and and the

607
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,279
transponders were right there now does

608
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:14,960
it have other transponders in it that

609
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,960
the pilot cannot turn off i don't know

610
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,720
i'm not an airline pilot so i couldn't

611
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,480
tell you that but

612
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,240
the transponder was just simply it was

613
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:24,480
it came it was in world war ii we had to

614
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,240
know who was coming in and out of of our

615
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:28,400
airspace we called it iff it doesn't

616
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:29,919
identify friend or foe so all a

617
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:32,240
transponder signal is an fm signal that

618
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,520
identifies

619
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,799
you know we're looking for certain

620
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:36,000
frequencies those frequencies are

621
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,520
friendly if you have the wrong frequency

622
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,039
you're a foe so

623
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:41,200
um and it was a simple mechanism i don't

624
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,760
know that but you know that's not the

625
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,600
only thing we need to detect a an

626
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,279
aircraft obviously you know we got

627
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:49,679
satellites looking at them i mean these

628
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,159
these uh airlines they have satellites

629
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,760
that are watching their whole fleet yeah

630
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,520
yeah it's called the omega system that's

631
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,039
one of them and

632
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:59,120
i don't know how many mega satellites i

633
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,080
don't know if you've heard about this

634
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,200
down but uh i was in my research this

635
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,039
week um

636
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,960
they have their own system that is

637
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,640
constantly checking and it's mainly

638
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:10,720
there for a lot of different reasons but

639
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,679
weather

640
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,440
so it's telling you where to fly what

641
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:16,000
height you know what altitude what speed

642
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,600
what to avoid and it's uh and every

643
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,440
every airline is hooked up to that

644
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,000
system i haven't heard any mention of

645
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,080
that either let's run the scenario then

646
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,080
okay so let's say this thing didn't

647
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:30,960
crash okay what that implies is you've

648
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:33,919
got multiple people a conspiracy here

649
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:36,400
that know all the technologies can shut

650
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:37,919
down all the systems that they need to

651
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,279
shut down during flight so that

652
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,880
that that thing just kind of goes dark

653
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,960
and that's like a pretty big conspiracy

654
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:46,720
well and if you but to see that's that's

655
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,080
the thing

656
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,159
i want don's opinion on this yeah

657
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:52,880
that's exactly what happened yeah that

658
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,679
do you agree don

659
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,240
don you there don you with us

660
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,240
well i i i don't think they shut down

661
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,919
all the flights all the all the

662
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:03,760
detection systems yeah i'm here can you

663
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,919
hear me yeah yeah yeah we got you i

664
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,279
don't think they shut down all the

665
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,600
detection systems like

666
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,960
yeah i don't think they should shut down

667
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,799
the detection systems they just took

668
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,880
control of the airplane and everybody

669
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,559
knew where it was going oh you think you

670
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,080
think they're like what the hell and

671
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,720
they can't broadcast that they can't say

672
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,240
there are planes flying around in the

673
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,640
air and anybody can take control of them

674
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:26,880
they know exactly where this plane is

675
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:29,919
every the airline knows that nsa knows

676
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,000
everybody knows but they can't tell

677
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,080
anybody because then that means they

678
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,240
have to admit somebody out there can

679
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,880
hijack any plane at any time exactly

680
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,440
right hey don call into the show anytime

681
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,840
and listen if you get any updates out

682
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,000
there follow us back we'll do okay thank

683
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:48,159
you don thanks buddy see you be safe bye

684
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,120
guys

685
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,710
wow so

686
00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:54,320
the chatter on the street in china

687
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,000
that's crazy wow okay email just came in

688
00:28:02,230 --> 00:27:59,840
congratulations jimmy keith and crew on

689
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,240
your three-month anniversary here's to

690
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:04,080
30 more years

691
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,640
in internet streaming and that's from

692
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,399
renee in tucson thank you renee thanks

693
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:12,799
renee that's awesome and she says ps i'd

694
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,039
like to see a movie on the hudson valley

695
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:17,520
sightings hey that would be good

696
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:18,480
very cool

697
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,039
renee very well played

698
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:24,960
uh didn't make my list but i didn't

699
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:26,720
think about it either the hudson valley

700
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,440
ufo yeah that thing was huge yeah that

701
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,039
was that that's a that was a really good

702
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:33,520
call right well done renee uh uh what

703
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,760
was that song don't walk away renee i

704
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,360
don't know who said was that the birds

705
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,640
don't walk away renee don't know that

706
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:40,240
one how's it going i don't know man i'm

707
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:41,360
not singing

708
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,399
nobody wants to hear me sing it'd be the

709
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:46,559
worst thing in the internet streaming

710
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,360
tones of jimmy church oh man

711
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:51,360
all right uh okay so where were we yeah

712
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:53,120
so back to the malaysian uh again that

713
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:54,720
opens up another phone line three two

714
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,760
three eight two five fifty forty

715
00:29:04,710 --> 00:28:59,600
uh what is

716
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,720
the one ufo incident that you would like

717
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,880
i think to be made into a movie

718
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:08,640
and who would start it

719
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:12,000
so uh now i'm just gonna uh i'm gonna

720
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,520
say this

721
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,840
in passing really quick um should i

722
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:18,000
mention the uh the

723
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,000
the reality show company sure should i

724
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,559
do that or should i or should i not well

725
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,919
talk a little bit well

726
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:26,080
sketch it out yeah we got concrete or do

727
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,520
you want to

728
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:30,000
save it yeah yeah yeah you know what

729
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,600
let's let's give it about a week there

730
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:34,159
you go we'll see we'll we'll hey yeah we

731
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,470
before we let the cat out of the bag but

732
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:42,240
uh three two three eight two five fifty

733
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:45,120
forty five email jimmy maturetradio.com

734
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,399
of course there's twitter at

735
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:48,080
jchurchradio

736
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:51,760
so um okay this is what i wanna do

737
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:55,600
uh before we get into the

738
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,440
biggest uh or the best uh ufo incident

739
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,120
that you think should be made into a

740
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:03,679
movie i was talking before the break

741
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:08,080
about deaths in the ufo community

742
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,440
this is the thing

743
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:10,960
uh

744
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,760
some

745
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,760
i i i just think i

746
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:17,679
just i honestly think that when you look

747
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:20,320
at the list and you

748
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:21,600
look at

749
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:22,559
the

750
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:34,399
i

751
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:41,360
that have

752
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,520
they you know it's just it's just a

753
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:47,200
death you know it's just a part of life

754
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,240
you achieve your place in evolution okay

755
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,640
all right but i don't know

756
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,640
oh anybody i don't know anybody that's

757
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,640
committed suicide i just don't know i

758
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:57,919
don't know anybody that's jumped out of

759
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,919
a window i don't know anybody that has

760
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:01,840
had you know brakes

761
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:04,720
cut loose in their car i have had nobody

762
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,640
found with rope around their neck

763
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:09,039
nothing nothing nothing crazy

764
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:09,760
but

765
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:13,279
in the ufo community it just seems like

766
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:16,480
it happens all the time and and and

767
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,360
people are

768
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,720
uh

769
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,000
acclimated

770
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:25,279
to it and they don't want to bring up uh

771
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:26,240
some

772
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:29,600
of the um uh

773
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,799
uh

774
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,200
the the coincidence i guess that i i i

775
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:36,000
just people uh the mainstream media

776
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:37,440
doesn't recognize it because they don't

777
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:39,039
want to touch it because it's the ufo

778
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,640
subject let's look at it what are you

779
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,200
talking about okay well first off uh

780
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:44,960
there

781
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:48,960
couple of um uh uh articles that came

782
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,760
out this week one of them was ufo digest

783
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,919
and it's called strange death and

784
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:56,240
disappearances haunt you of college you

785
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,519
followed

786
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,000
and then another story came out

787
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:03,039
yesterday on yahoo

788
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,640
okay

789
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,039
and it's on yahoo news and i'm opening

790
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,000
that up now and that is called

791
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:12,880
are ufo experts being murdered oh wow

792
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,000
okay now when you look at these two art

793
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,720
articles let me pull up

794
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,080
just for the record i'm not i'm not an

795
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:22,799
expert jimmy okay

796
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:28,549
yeah

797
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:30,320
no in ufos i know

798
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,080
nothing about that stuff yeah really

799
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,279
exactly uh tonight driving home porsche

800
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:39,750
awful mulholland drive

801
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:42,399
that happened he never goes out there

802
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:43,760
exactly

803
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,600
oh man so um now but there was one name

804
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,960
that curiously for me was left off of

805
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:52,880
both of these

806
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:58,159
lists and that name was james mcdonald

807
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:01,039
now i i don't know how

808
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,159
he

809
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:04,159
could now forrest

810
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:07,279
oh made one of the lists oh yeah fourth

811
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,880
stahl's not on the other list okay it

812
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:11,039
was interesting how he went yes it was

813
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:17,750
and and so out of these two lists that i

814
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:21,120
have here um they don't

815
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,919
have the same names on both lists and it

816
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:25,919
i find that really really interesting

817
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:29,039
who considers what are experts uh you

818
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,480
know researchers that are writing these

819
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,320
articles but the one name that wasn't

820
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:34,799
there was james mcdonald james mcdonald

821
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:37,279
he died uh

822
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,240
june 13th 1971 uh i had ann druffle on

823
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:42,399
the show last month

824
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,590
for james and and knew him really really

825
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:52,320
well yep big book

826
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:53,360
great book

827
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,880
and

828
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,399
even though

829
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:59,039
the the circumstances that led up to it

830
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,480
uh um

831
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,320
maybe his wife was cheating on him maybe

832
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,159
not maybe that was bothering him maybe

833
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,880
not maybe he knew the guy maybe not we

834
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:07,840
don't

835
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:13,280
but for him

836
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,109
he announces and and tells his friends

837
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:25,679
that he got some information of the real

838
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,800
deal stuff

839
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:27,760
and

840
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:30,159
uh uh he wrote in his journal in his

841
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:31,359
black book

842
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,639
that uh

843
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,399
uh he wrote in his journal that the

844
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,399
information is

845
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,240
in his black book the black book has

846
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,159
never been found and it was like the

847
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,639
last entry in his journal and

848
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:44,480
and for him to just turn around and

849
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,520
commit suicide right after that i just

850
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:48,960
doubt it

851
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:51,760
and he will he was at that time

852
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,560
there was a handful of greats but

853
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,879
he was one of the two or three guys in

854
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,880
the country and i'm sure you'll agree

855
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:00,240
steve

856
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:03,839
he was the top guy solid

857
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:06,160
scientist university professor very

858
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,520
outstanding guy

859
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,790
researched yeah solid connections yeah

860
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,040
connections yeah so he was a solid solid

861
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,119
ufo researcher and knew his stuff

862
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:20,079
and one of the other uh one of the other

863
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:26,069
again call in three two three eight two

864
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,520
five fifty forty five three two three

865
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:29,359
eight two five fifty forty five

866
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,240
was and and even though uh and i talked

867
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:34,320
about this on wednesday night briefly

868
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:35,280
with uh

869
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:36,000
uh

870
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,119
the way salter handled it but i'm just

871
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,000
saying that i brought this up on

872
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:47,040
wednesday was phil schneider

873
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,119
phil schneider after he went on his

874
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,800
you know he was probably on the scene

875
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:55,200
for about two years uh dulce and the

876
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,240
underground alien bases jimmy and he yes

877
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,240
i need to drop reconnect i can hear it

878
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:02,000
just just stand by for uh i'm gonna call

879
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:03,520
you right back

880
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,079
okay we're back yeah we got some uh

881
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,160
we got some jitter chitter chatter

882
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,400
issues uh with the internet so if we are

883
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:12,320
dropping in and out we are working on it

884
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:15,359
here so anyway back to phil schneider

885
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:19,440
phil did two years of touring uh um and

886
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:20,240
what

887
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:21,280
the

888
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,640
that he died was he

889
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,960
he uh

890
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:30,480
he had all of his injuries and he had

891
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:33,760
some physical issues too as well

892
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:36,320
uh but you know fingers burnt off of his

893
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:37,839
hands uh

894
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,800
uh

895
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,480
um you know

896
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:42,720
he had medical problems and i i believe

897
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:45,520
he was very nearly wheelchair-bound at

898
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,480
the end

899
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:47,839
um but

900
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:50,800
leading up to that was he

901
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:54,640
he went from um dulce and being you know

902
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,000
shot

903
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:58,400
by an alien to every single conspiracy

904
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,680
in the united states don't believe the

905
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:01,280
single thing that the government tells

906
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,510
he had a conspiracy behind it he was

907
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:09,520
very vocal and was getting louder and

908
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,160
louder and louder about that and then

909
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:14,079
they find him

910
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:15,359
with

911
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:23,030
wrapped around his neck a couple of

912
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,839
times

913
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,599
and they find him

914
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,040
uh uh

915
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,680
with the there was a knot that was tied

916
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,079
but he's got

917
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,320
no fingers yeah so

918
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:36,000
and

919
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:37,839
i cannot believe

920
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,560
that nobody

921
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:42,320
raised any questions about this the

922
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:43,359
corner

923
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,480
you know they didn't the the the

924
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:48,160
autopsy was done weeks later there was

925
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,440
nothing done on the scene of the crime

926
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,119
there was this or that there was they

927
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,960
just wrote it off

928
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,720
and and for

929
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:56,800
a medical examiner to put in in the

930
00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:00,000
report that that he was found with you

931
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,760
know tubing wrapped around his neck that

932
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,280
was tied into a knot when the guy

933
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,839
doesn't have any fingers

934
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:08,160
if that doesn't raise if you don't write

935
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,200
homicide on that right then you know for

936
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,200
cause of death and get some kind of

937
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:14,880
murder investigation going on i don't

938
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,680
know what else you need right

939
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,280
and

940
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,000
it's one of the crazy deaths yeah so

941
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:24,320
yeah um

942
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,320
uh now this is

943
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,040
these are some of the things uh that

944
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:31,920
schneider was saying not only dulce but

945
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:34,160
that the american government concluded a

946
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:37,599
treaty with uh uh uh grey aliens in 1954

947
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,560
this mutual cooperation pact

948
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:43,119
is called the grenada treaty he said

949
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,400
that the space shuttle had been

950
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,079
functioning with special metals provided

951
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:48,560
by the aliens a vacuum atmosphere is

952
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:50,960
needed for the rending of these special

953
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,640
alloys uh uh thus the push for a larger

954
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,320
space station that would this was one of

955
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,880
those yeah it was yeah yep and then he

956
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,720
said that much of our

957
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,240
stealth aircraft technology was

958
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,240
developed by back engineering craft and

959
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,589
this is a long time ago yeah um he was

960
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,800
one of the first guys to bring all of

961
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,640
this stuff up he said aids was a

962
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,280
population controlled virus wow uh by

963
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:17,920
the national ordnance laboratory created

964
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:21,599
in chicago he uh he said that um that

965
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:24,079
the government had an earthquake device

966
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:25,599
um

967
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:27,119
that

968
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,359
earthquake in san francisco had no pulse

969
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,280
wave you know so he's bringing up all

970
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:41,040
these crazy things it wasn't just dulce

971
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,040
and he was very vocal about all of this

972
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:45,200
yeah and then and i think he had a book

973
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,560
that was getting ready to come out and

974
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:48,079
he was getting ready to go back out on

975
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,359
tour and and he had his kids and his

976
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:53,280
relationship you know you might have

977
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,560
been hitting a little too close to home

978
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,480
huh something you know

979
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,720
yeah no i i hear you man i hear you

980
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:00,320
there are others uh carla turner dr

981
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,200
carla turner yes yes yes yeah yeah yeah

982
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:07,190
yeah yeah aggressive form rare form of

983
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:08,480
cancer took her in like you know like

984
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,920
less than a year just like three or four

985
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:11,440
months she was diagnosed boom dead i

986
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,640
think it was quicker than that yeah it

987
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:14,560
was really kind of bizarre yeah and but

988
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,240
she was an abductee and she was very

989
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,640
voiceful about that and and was was

990
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:21,280
talking about it and that's the bizarre

991
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,880
she she kind of came from the darker

992
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,319
side of abduction i mean she would

993
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,800
describe these crazy crazy things that

994
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,240
she witnessed

995
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,680
on board these craft i mean like you

996
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:31,200
know dismembered people and you know

997
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,950
body parts and when did she die 95 i

998
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,400
think it was did you ever meet her no i

999
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:40,400
never did you never never met her um

1000
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,680
there's ron rummel ron rommel ron rummel

1001
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:46,079
another disturb

1002
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:49,599
urban case he died in 1993 alleged

1003
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,640
allegedly shot himself elf in the mouth

1004
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,560
with the pistol but the pistol didn't

1005
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,040
have any blood on it

1006
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,520
you know yeah um uh

1007
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,440
they said that

1008
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,440
his body smelled like sodium pentathol

1009
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,440
oh wow you know just you know and i'm

1010
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:07,440
i'm sorry but it's just

1011
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,790
well then go back to forestall you know

1012
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:14,800
talk about him because the guy you know

1013
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,079
his brother saw him the night before his

1014
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,160
death uh he looked fine he was happy he

1015
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,480
was reading and wasn't he and walter

1016
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,400
reed isn't that where it happened it was

1017
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,200
at walter reed hospital in dc yep and uh

1018
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,040
you know he decided to take a flying

1019
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,119
leap i don't know what flora was 12th or

1020
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,520
20th floor right right enough right and

1021
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,200
uh but yeah

1022
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,359
he it was it was very bizarre but yeah

1023
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,520
he had gone into uh fits of depression

1024
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:39,920
after he had gotten allegedly learned

1025
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,480
some information that concerned ufos

1026
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,880
what was what was his uh

1027
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,400
what was his position in the state

1028
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:48,000
department at that time i'm not sure

1029
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,680
what's in east he was secretary of the

1030
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,920
navy it was or or

1031
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,760
the secretary of defense i think he was

1032
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:54,960
at least secretary nate we can look it

1033
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,069
ron johnson another guy uh excellent

1034
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:04,160
health passed a recent physical

1035
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:05,920
examination

1036
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:09,440
but uh january or june 9 1994 he died

1037
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:10,400
quickly

1038
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,040
amongst some very strange uh

1039
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,520
circumstances during a slide show

1040
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:17,280
several people sitting

1041
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,040
close to him heard a gasp they turned on

1042
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:20,800
the lights and he slumped over in his

1043
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:21,760
chair

1044
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,720
wow

1045
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:23,839
dead

1046
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:26,720
and did he die of a stroke was it some

1047
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,359
kind of allergy nobody knows yeah

1048
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:31,839
um john mack

1049
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,510
i i've never said this publicly it's

1050
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,599
it's john mack was hit by a truck that's

1051
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:41,280
not ironic

1052
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,480
he was that's terrible isn't it i didn't

1053
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,680
but that's exactly what happened he

1054
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:47,280
stepped out in front of italy after uh

1055
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,640
delivering a lecture but it wasn't about

1056
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,880
ufos or abduction it was about

1057
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,400
something else um

1058
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,160
some he had been invited to uh some

1059
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:56,160
poetry reading or something like that he

1060
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,079
stepped out in front of a truck very

1061
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,000
strange very

1062
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,200
strange like i said have a heart attack

1063
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:05,280
at the age of 85.

1064
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,079
i get that yeah die in your sleep 79

1065
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:10,640
years old i get that

1066
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:13,520
smoke cigarettes for 40 years

1067
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,800
70 years old emphysema and you go like

1068
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:18,319
i understand all of that

1069
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:24,230
you know 45 41

1070
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:25,599
52

1071
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,400
suicide thrown out a window

1072
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,720
right forestall that would so that's one

1073
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,160
of the craziest things we're talking

1074
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,400
about an army hospital

1075
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,960
veterans hospital in washington dc

1076
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,319
um he

1077
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,079
the reasons why he was admitted there

1078
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,319
was all of the reasons to be checking on

1079
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,240
him all of the time

1080
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:45,839
and then

1081
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,079
he he jumps out the window

1082
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:50,640
you know yeah there's a

1083
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,119
uh danny castellaro an investigative

1084
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,760
reporter looking into the theft

1085
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,760
of a project promise software a program

1086
00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:59,520
capable of tracking down anyone anywhere

1087
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,640
in the world died 1991 reported suicide

1088
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,480
brian lynch

1089
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,280
a psychic and contactee died 1985

1090
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:09,760
purportedly of a drug overdose

1091
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,359
captain don elkin 1980 uh in the 1980s

1092
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:15,520
he was an eastern airlines pi

1093
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:18,720
pilot committed suicide you know uh he

1094
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:19,680
uh

1095
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,280
he was deep into the study of ramen

1096
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,160
material with a carlo rucker but i mean

1097
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,079
it's just when you start to look at all

1098
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,240
of these in its totality you know

1099
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,240
there's something going on

1100
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,240
emerges yeah yeah yeah yeah maybe that

1101
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,480
should be a movie yeah

1102
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:38,160
yeah i'm being serious

1103
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:41,200
um have you uh any of the researchers

1104
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:43,280
that you know you were with uh move on

1105
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,640
for 13 years long time yeah anybody uh

1106
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,480
anybody take a mysterious exit no

1107
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:50,319
mysterious exits around me or near me i

1108
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,359
mean

1109
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,599
uh let's see who bud hopkins he died i

1110
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:55,920
mean he had a cancer but it was a cancer

1111
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:57,839
that he'd been fighting for some time

1112
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,000
very sad uh just recently just last week

1113
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,800
you know dr roger lear passed and uh you

1114
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:06,480
know that was

1115
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,000
a strange one that was another ironic

1116
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:10,240
one because he was actually he's a foot

1117
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,760
doctor he was a foot doctor he's in the

1118
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,599
waiting room to have his foot looked at

1119
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,960
because he had injured it a few weeks

1120
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,560
earlier or maybe a few months early

1121
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:18,560
anyway he was in and he excused himself

1122
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,920
to go to the restroom and had a heart

1123
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,359
attack in the restroom

1124
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,680
strange uh you know

1125
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,520
very sad we you and i were talking about

1126
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,839
this in fact you're the one that told me

1127
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:29,440
that it happened yeah

1128
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:32,640
you you texted me that morning and uh

1129
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,760
and i had to stop and think i was just a

1130
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,440
couple of weeks bef

1131
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,160
before that i was went to go see him

1132
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,640
speak in marina del rey yeah and i had

1133
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:45,119
called you and said dude i'm here why

1134
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,560
don't you come on up

1135
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:48,000
and it was a date night or something

1136
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:49,359
yeah it was a date night for you and you

1137
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:50,640
couldn't come up but

1138
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:55,040
uh i saw dr lear i i briefly

1139
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,480
just said hi to him and he said hi

1140
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,000
that's we we didn't get a chance to talk

1141
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,800
he was speaking that night but he

1142
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,160
he didn't look

1143
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,160
look healthy no he hasn't looked you

1144
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:06,079
know he didn't think for some time yeah

1145
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:14,710
this guy smiled at everybody gave a

1146
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,680
great talk um but you could just you

1147
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,680
could tell that he was he wasn't the way

1148
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,359
that he looked ten years ago no yeah he

1149
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:23,520
had some ailments uh we when i was move

1150
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:26,240
on we had a a fundraiser for him

1151
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:27,680
uh whitney street was behind it put it

1152
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:28,960
together and we did a little fundraiser

1153
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:31,119
for him

1154
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,560
to uh help him with his bills and all

1155
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:34,160
that the medical bills i guess they were

1156
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:35,760
piling up so he was yeah he'd been under

1157
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,359
care for a while and you know he was

1158
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:39,040
getting older so this is what happens

1159
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,960
for a foot doctor to

1160
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,400
to have a heart attack while he's

1161
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,920
awaiting foot surgery yeah that's a

1162
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:45,119
little ironic yeah that was well you

1163
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,160
know what if you're going to go out go

1164
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,079
out like that hey

1165
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,920
you know it's like you know janna and

1166
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:52,079
twistle anyway that's another story yeah

1167
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:55,359
um now check this out as long ago as uh

1168
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:58,960
1971 researcher otter binder claimed

1169
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:02,240
that at least one 137 ufo investigators

1170
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:03,839
had died

1171
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,079
under mysterious circumstances during

1172
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:08,079
the 1960s

1173
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,000
and uh and uh timothy good did his uh uh

1174
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:14,800
research into this too as well but

1175
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,520
it's just the list is long and i don't

1176
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,839
understand why nobody makes these

1177
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:22,000
connections yeah and it's just i think

1178
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,160
it's because

1179
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:26,480
it's fringe yeah that's pretty french

1180
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:29,839
yeah you know it's fringe the

1181
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:33,760
the the subject ufology is fringe and

1182
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:36,079
the research ufology what they're

1183
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:38,319
speaking about is fringe

1184
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,760
but they are fringe and the death is

1185
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:43,440
mysterious and

1186
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:44,960
nobody wants to

1187
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,839
forward and go hey wait a minute yeah

1188
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,040
but it makes all the sense in the world

1189
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,119
if you think about it you know

1190
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,520
i believe that the uh you know the fact

1191
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,119
of ufos is just a fact that's it you

1192
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,280
know they exist we have the technology

1193
00:48:01,349 --> 00:48:00,319
we've been you know so if you have uh

1194
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,359
the

1195
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:03,359
powers that be so to speak controlling

1196
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,839
that information controlling that

1197
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,160
technology somebody

1198
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,400
gets a little bit too close hey you know

1199
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,760
let's go take care of that little

1200
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,680
problem you know what i mean

1201
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,520
do it quietly you know make it look

1202
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:15,760
natural if you can if not you know make

1203
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:19,119
it make it look like the cow is suicidal

1204
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,880
when um when you were at mufon

1205
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,319
you

1206
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,319
who uh not only were contacted

1207
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,359
constantly but you were around people

1208
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:31,920
that spoke and other contactees and

1209
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:34,880
witnesses

1210
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:38,319
uh for so many years was there um always

1211
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,520
a consistency in their demeanor i mean

1212
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:43,839
and i ask it like this

1213
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,160
how do you mean yeah because well

1214
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,440
if somebody wants to come up

1215
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:51,599
to me and tell me about the new world

1216
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,800
order and and and and start tying in

1217
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:56,319
crazy stuff

1218
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:57,200
yeah

1219
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,000
and

1220
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:00,480
that's one thing but

1221
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,000
an ab an abductee or a witness that's a

1222
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:06,800
personal experience so there's no

1223
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:07,760
there's

1224
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,240
need proof it's just an experience but

1225
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:13,920
it was their consistency in their

1226
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,640
demeanor when they came with company you

1227
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,240
know what i mean with uh that they were

1228
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,319
telling the truth like abductees or

1229
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,119
whatever yeah because absolutely yeah um

1230
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,160
always there was some some sort of um

1231
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,160
angst in their personality meaning uh

1232
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,559
you could tell they'd been through drama

1233
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,160
and uh

1234
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:34,000
there were there were trademarks to

1235
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,680
these to the abductee

1236
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,119
is absolutely and i mean we still have

1237
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,960
you know we still have meet at u-pars

1238
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,720
and we still have quite a few abductees

1239
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:42,960
coming to the meetings and yeah they do

1240
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,760
have a certain uh angst to them

1241
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:47,680
you know post-traumatic stress disorder

1242
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,280
sort of personalities uh and those

1243
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:53,440
that that expresses itself in various

1244
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,390
or you know habitual cleaners some

1245
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,640
people are very controlling some people

1246
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:02,400
are

1247
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,480
neurotic or not neurotic a little bit

1248
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,480
psychotic even you know and i think it's

1249
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,800
the trauma of the experience that drives

1250
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,800
them to those things like in other words

1251
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,640
you take a personality and somebody

1252
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:16,160
might be very stoic and able to absorb

1253
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:17,440
that information or go through that

1254
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,720
trauma and not

1255
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:20,240
not lose it as much but some people just

1256
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,520
don't have that kind of equipment and

1257
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,800
when they go through something like that

1258
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,400
they lose it or that

1259
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,720
they just kind of spin off into a into

1260
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,319
another world and so we kind of had a

1261
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,319
variety i mean the

1262
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,160
you know it was a mishmash of people

1263
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:34,319
well you have um you have your meetings

1264
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:35,680
every single month right and you've been

1265
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,800
doing it

1266
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:39,359
for 13 going on 14 years right

1267
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:40,400
yeah

1268
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:43,520
and so you have your members

1269
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,470
didn't because i know that you know

1270
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:50,319
everybody knows you and you know

1271
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:51,440
everybody else you've been doing this

1272
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,200
for a long time right

1273
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,599
how often do you get the new face

1274
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,760
you know yeah we uh it's an interesting

1275
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,240
question because uh when we have people

1276
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:01,920
coming to speak about abduction for

1277
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:05,200
example barbara lamb right um

1278
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:08,079
we had barbara lamb last year and a very

1279
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,680
low key promotion you know and i was

1280
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:11,200
expecting a moderate crowd or a normal

1281
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,109
and

1282
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:19,760
a lot of those people were there to hear

1283
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:22,559
about themselves basically

1284
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,359
you know what i mean and there are

1285
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:25,520
newbies new new faces to me

1286
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:27,119
the interesting thing is she was

1287
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,040
describing the hybrid program and she

1288
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,640
was going through hybrids and all that

1289
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:31,920
and she was describing what hybrids

1290
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:34,480
typically look like

1291
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:37,680
and uh you know uh fair skin wispy hair

1292
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,839
larger eyes blue eyes often very fairly

1293
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:43,040
looking very pretty some of them very

1294
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:45,280
pretty and she's describing and i'm

1295
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,720
looking at these new some of these new

1296
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,720
people i'm looking at this one gal one

1297
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:50,400
girl that's sitting next to my wife and

1298
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,240
my wife's looking at her too because

1299
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:54,960
this girl looked

1300
00:51:59,549 --> 00:51:57,520
extraordinarily different um

1301
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,559
not

1302
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,760
extraordinarily different but she looked

1303
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:03,440
she definitely had an interesting look

1304
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:06,079
to her larger larger eyes a little bit

1305
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,160
almond shaped blue blue blue she was

1306
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:11,839
dressed very well she had a very

1307
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,599
interesting demeanor she sat very

1308
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:15,920
upright very very pale skin and she

1309
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:18,319
listened to the whole lecture but and i

1310
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,240
went over i made a point to go uh say

1311
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,839
hello to her and give her eye contact

1312
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,520
but she didn't want to give me any eye

1313
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:25,040
contact she just kind of looked up

1314
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:26,400
really quick and smiled and looked back

1315
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:30,400
down yeah and she left before um you

1316
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:32,000
know she left before the the meeting was

1317
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,599
over she like she's just disappeared

1318
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:35,440
kind of to me i mean i was busy doing

1319
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,000
other things we had another

1320
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,559
and another um abduction lecture i can't

1321
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,319
remember who it was we had these this

1322
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:45,280
pair of people show up and they were

1323
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,150
all sweaty looking you know what i mean

1324
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,160
it didn't look like normal skin to me

1325
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:58,160
and they were stranger looking they had

1326
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:01,200
really loud um clothing on meaning there

1327
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,800
there was very they had very colorful

1328
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:04,640
clothing on but none of it went together

1329
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:06,800
there was no ensemble going on it was

1330
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,559
just all mishmash and they were standing

1331
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,480
in the back and just sort of very very

1332
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,200
quietly watching the whole thing and i

1333
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,520
approached them and said hello

1334
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,960
oh and they just kind of like very shyly

1335
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:18,559
shrunk away and smiled and kind of moved

1336
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:20,319
out of the moved away from me and i you

1337
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:21,839
know i didn't take it any further but

1338
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:23,119
that's weird

1339
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:24,319
they they kind of had a really weird

1340
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:26,079
look to them very strange and they look

1341
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:28,000
left before the meeting was over wow

1342
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:29,200
yeah no i mean we've had some strange

1343
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,270
so uh well there was one i remember uh

1344
00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:37,680
one night uh barbara lam was there and

1345
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:40,839
she's sitting in the audience and

1346
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:43,200
after uh you know i went up to introduce

1347
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:46,240
myself and and and talk to her briefly

1348
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:48,880
but there was a line four or five people

1349
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:51,280
leave and i waited to talk to her that

1350
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:57,990
average people just one after another

1351
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,839
coming up we need to talk to you yeah

1352
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,599
yeah yeah we need to talk to you

1353
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:03,920
we need you know um um you know and

1354
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:05,359
she's handing out her card one after

1355
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:07,839
another right and these are just people

1356
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:10,160
in the audience yeah you know and and i

1357
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,480
was just you know how

1358
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:14,960
common is it

1359
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:17,119
what was it that um i think it was

1360
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,640
heinek that said

1361
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,440
some crazy number 30 of the population

1362
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,359
has been abducted oh hopkins yeah

1363
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:25,119
hopkins yeah i mean by his projections

1364
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,240
it was millions of people in the united

1365
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:28,319
states right right right by his research

1366
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:29,200
you know

1367
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:33,040
come to the meetings and oftentimes

1368
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,319
they're newbies but they come because

1369
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,240
they need to hear from somebody else

1370
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:39,920
that they're not totally going crazy you

1371
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:46,309
they can't wait to unload on somebody

1372
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:47,920
what's been on their chest for maybe 20

1373
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,640
30 years you know or make sense of the

1374
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:52,480
craziness that seems to be happening to

1375
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:53,520
them in their

1376
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:56,319
dreams very very strange uh experiences

1377
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,359
for them and uh you know and and can be

1378
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:01,200
damaging if they don't have the right um

1379
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,640
if they don't make the right contacts

1380
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,079
and connections and then there are of

1381
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:06,480
course a lot of people who prey on that

1382
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,000
you know so you have to

1383
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:10,319
watch out who you're talking to and uh

1384
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:11,359
barbara lam is certainly not one of

1385
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,960
those she's of the highest caliber i

1386
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:14,880
love barbara and yvonne smith she's

1387
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:16,400
great right so those those are people

1388
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:18,839
that are renowned and and well respected

1389
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:21,359
but um you know not too many people

1390
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:22,559
hanging out their shingles saying hey

1391
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:25,040
i'm an abduction expert because they're

1392
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,640
they're kind of fared it out it's a very

1393
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,920
very touchy subject you have to be

1394
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:29,359
careful it's dynamite really when you're

1395
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,799
dealing with people like that you're

1396
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,400
playing with dynamite all right hey

1397
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:34,400
keith uh we're gonna go ahead and take a

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00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:37,920
break and uh let's uh reset this audio

1399
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:40,000
i'm gonna go ahead and

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00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:41,040
uh

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00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:46,000
audio our producers here are saying yes

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it is dropping out

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so

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00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:52,640
music we'll be back right after this

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00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:53,839
give us a couple of minutes we got to

1406
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:56,240
reset this audio thank you everybody

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00:56:06,150 --> 00:55:57,599
be patient

1408
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:09,270
okay so

1409
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:10,559
barbara lamb

1410
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:13,760
uh the oh oh oh really quick and again

1411
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:15,040
you can call in

1412
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:16,400
three two three eight two five fifty

1413
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:18,880
forty five it's the call in number or

1414
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,520
just gotta uh

1415
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,440
back to the mysterious deaths just got

1416
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,680
this email that came in your guest dr

1417
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:27,359
greer has always been convinced that his

1418
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:28,960
personal assistant of many years i

1419
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,079
believe her name was sherry was murdered

1420
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:34,640
due to their publicizing ett

1421
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,520
contacts and communications and oh there

1422
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,280
was another one

1423
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,799
that didn't make the list

1424
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,440
was uh fred bell

1425
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,079
fred bell was an inventor here in

1426
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:48,319
southern cal california actually he

1427
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:49,920
lived in laguna

1428
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,119
and

1429
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:53,680
had about

1430
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:55,119
he

1431
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:56,799
uh free

1432
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,520
energy was working with um

1433
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:01,839
uh different types of magnets and some

1434
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:04,799
other stuff and was uh uh into some

1435
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:08,000
other things and and and music and tones

1436
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,960
and

1437
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,559
uh uh

1438
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:12,640
well anyway it was you know in a contact

1439
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,680
he and i think he was the grandson of

1440
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:17,760
alexander graham bell you know was

1441
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:20,319
related to alexander graham bell uh

1442
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:23,040
somehow but he was very outspoken on a

1443
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:25,760
lot of conspiracy theories so he goes

1444
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:26,640
out

1445
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,440
to i think it was minnesota where jesse

1446
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:30,880
ventura

1447
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:34,720
is filming his tv show conspiracy theory

1448
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:37,440
and they put him up in a hotel out there

1449
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:38,799
and

1450
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:41,200
fred bell turns to now this is just from

1451
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:43,200
memory so if i'm wrong on a couple of

1452
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:44,160
facts

1453
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:45,920
uh so be it but

1454
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,680
um he tells

1455
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:49,599
uh jesse ventura

1456
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,200
that he has got a cia handler

1457
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:55,680
and jesse ventura says man well you know

1458
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:57,359
you're talking about some pretty crazy

1459
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:59,359
subjects on my show

1460
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,880
and i don't think they're going to be

1461
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,559
happy about that

1462
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:04,240
so jesse

1463
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,119
has one of the interns there

1464
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:09,599
call the cia

1465
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,559
okay

1466
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:13,040
and to let them know

1467
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:14,000
that

1468
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:22,160
and aura had taped

1469
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,680
the show i think the interview was

1470
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:25,839
already done at that point again i could

1471
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:28,480
be wrong but it happened over two days

1472
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:30,559
and so so

1473
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:31,359
the

1474
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,000
cia tells his

1475
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:36,559
intern jesse ventura's intern

1476
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:39,839
um you know uh uh people that talk about

1477
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:42,319
that kind of stuff uh wind up usually

1478
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,000
wind up dead

1479
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:46,400
she freaks out hangs up the phone goes

1480
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:52,950
whoever was on the other end of the

1481
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:53,920
phone

1482
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,470
and she says i don't need to deal with

1483
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,480
this i'm getting married i just

1484
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:04,799
graduated college i'm out of here she

1485
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,000
quits the show that night okay

1486
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:10,640
fred bell

1487
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:13,119
decides after the taping the the company

1488
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:14,400
the production company was only going to

1489
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:16,079
put fred bell up for like one night or

1490
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:17,680
two nights in a hotel but fred bell

1491
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:19,920
wanted to stay the weekend so he invited

1492
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,359
his girlfriend out um to fly out and he

1493
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,200
moved out of the hotel moved into

1494
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,799
another hotel up the street probably a

1495
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,160
nicer one you know

1496
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:30,640
yeah the production company probably

1497
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,040
had him in a you know best western or

1498
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:36,079
something right and so he he upgrades

1499
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,760
goes down the street get checks into

1500
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:40,160
another hotel and they find him dead the

1501
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:41,599
next day what

1502
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,359
and that is fact what that is

1503
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,440
happened last year lord have mercy oh

1504
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,319
man you gotta hear uh jesse ventura's uh

1505
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,160
interview on this now think about this

1506
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:56,960
for a second the cia when this in turn

1507
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:58,799
calls they say you know most people ask

1508
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:00,079
those kinds of questions end up dead

1509
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,200
okay that's what she reports that is the

1510
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:05,680
government or quote the state the police

1511
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:08,640
state telling you back the you know what

1512
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:09,680
up

1513
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:12,240
and and no and then punctuation mark

1514
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,599
with the you know

1515
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:15,440
fred bell's exit

1516
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:16,319
you know

1517
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:19,119
if if you you don't think

1518
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,960
if you don't think the government is not

1519
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,480
in control and they're in control they

1520
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:24,720
know exactly what's going on and it's no

1521
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,680
longer

1522
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:27,440
it's not the same world i grew up in

1523
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,240
when i was you know i i was born 1960 in

1524
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:32,640
the 60s i mean you know

1525
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:34,079
i was

1526
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:36,799
i felt such honor you know serving

1527
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:38,240
serving the country i was ready to i was

1528
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:40,000
ready to do battle i was ready to give

1529
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:41,440
my life for my country and all that but

1530
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,680
think about it i was just a cog in the

1531
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,599
wheel man you know that's that's just

1532
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:47,599
kind of sad you know things have gotten

1533
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:48,720
out of hand

1534
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,440
i got uh this this uh this came in from

1535
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:53,359
brian

1536
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:56,480
it says uh email maybe the plane has

1537
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:59,760
crashed in the fukushima debris field

1538
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,280
and the radiation is interfering with

1539
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:03,839
the plane signals huh that's possible

1540
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:05,680
it's a possibility i like that i haven't

1541
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:07,839
heard that i like that speculation short

1542
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:10,160
version i saw ufo i don't know if it's

1543
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,040
worthy of a movie but i'd like to find a

1544
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:15,760
light wave expert who could recreate my

1545
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:18,880
sighting no aliens involved but i saw it

1546
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:21,440
quite close it was round and stealth and

1547
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:23,280
i nearly fell from the ladder that i was

1548
01:01:28,190 --> 01:01:25,839
on it lasted for about five minutes but

1549
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:28,200
it seemed a lot longer i saw a

1550
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:30,720
distortion in my peripheral vision it

1551
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:33,040
was less than average house length away

1552
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:35,119
and was moving about two miles an hour

1553
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:36,079
it was

1554
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:38,000
like on rails and disappeared went

1555
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,319
across the street but i knew i knew it

1556
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,720
was still there uh that was from brian

1557
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,480
brian call the show i want to i want to

1558
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:46,559
hear the whole story that's interesting

1559
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:48,799
but i mentioned light wave technology

1560
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:51,040
now why is he saying that either one

1561
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:52,880
one he saw something to do with stealth

1562
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:54,400
you know a lot of times when when folks

1563
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,839
see ufos the ufo you can see

1564
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,520
the ufos there but you kind of see

1565
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:01,200
through it it's just like predator you

1566
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,400
know just like pretty you're looking you

1567
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,319
can a little flutter little distortion

1568
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:06,480
yeah yeah it's got like some kind of

1569
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:08,559
technology that allows you to see around

1570
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:10,880
it so to speak that's one way but now

1571
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:11,920
when i

1572
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:13,680
had my siding the first one was pretty

1573
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:15,599
dramatic and what i saw was very

1574
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:18,240
coherent light meaning the whole the

1575
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:19,599
objects

1576
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:21,359
the the light that came off of these

1577
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:27,270
palpable i don't know how to describe it

1578
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:29,359
it was just very unique and maybe that's

1579
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,480
what he saw i don't know so i'd like to

1580
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:32,480
hear what more about why he wants to you

1581
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:34,640
know yeah and brian call the show i know

1582
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:36,240
you can hear me three two three eight

1583
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:38,319
two five fifty forty five this is a very

1584
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:41,599
unique uh uh description uh that you've

1585
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:43,520
laid out there for us i would like to uh

1586
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:45,920
actually and and and

1587
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:48,240
uh i wanna hear it kind of the ending

1588
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:50,319
because you said at the end of the email

1589
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:51,839
like it was on rails and disappeared

1590
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:53,839
when it crossed the street but i knew it

1591
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:56,000
was still there

1592
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:57,839
i mean i want to know which that that's

1593
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,640
a very unique that's a stealthy ufo yeah

1594
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:02,400
i want to know exactly

1595
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:06,240
it's not uncommon oh man okay um

1596
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:07,359
so

1597
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:08,400
um

1598
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:10,400
uh what were we talking about oh oh that

1599
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:13,359
barber lamb so my question to you was

1600
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:15,039
um

1601
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:17,359
we are month after month at the mufon

1602
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,119
meetings because you know everybody

1603
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:21,200
there and you do

1604
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,280
yeah i i've been to enough of them and i

1605
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,280
shake hands on [\h__\h] everybody knows who

1606
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:27,839
you are and you are indeed a rock star

1607
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:30,160
and everybody applauds but anyway but

1608
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:34,079
you know everybody there and and so

1609
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,760
when somebody knew

1610
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:37,359
you know when you walk into a bar and

1611
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,359
everybody knows each other uh but it's a

1612
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:41,280
bar you've never been into everybody

1613
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:42,960
knows you're the new guy when you walk

1614
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:44,799
in that bar right you know it's right

1615
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:46,960
same thing at the mufon meeting when

1616
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:49,359
somebody new comes in because i see

1617
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:51,280
everybody interacting here

1618
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:53,520
everybody's talking and hanging out and

1619
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:54,559
it's it's you know it's a good

1620
01:03:57,910 --> 01:03:56,319
atmosphere right but then you see those

1621
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:57,920
people that come in and they probably

1622
01:04:03,349 --> 01:03:59,920
sit in the back of the room yep right

1623
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:03,359
yep or they sit right up front okay okay

1624
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:05,920
how often is it is it everything

1625
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:07,440
everything sure sure every meeting we

1626
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:10,319
get newbies like that sure

1627
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:13,599
do they come up to you and and

1628
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,359
or do you do yeah some of them a lot of

1629
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:16,799
them come up and they want to um unload

1630
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:18,000
a story they want to tell me something

1631
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:19,440
they want to tell a story that something

1632
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:21,440
that happened to them you know this

1633
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:25,520
field is sort of interesting it until

1634
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:27,119
like the zealots

1635
01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:28,799
kind of like me the zealots are people

1636
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:33,029
had an experience a direct experience

1637
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:35,039
they've had like you have i have what

1638
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,400
that does is it stretches your

1639
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,880
perception you know it opens your your

1640
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:40,640
your field of reality so to speak and

1641
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:41,440
now

1642
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,880
suddenly things are possible that you

1643
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:44,400
didn't think were possible before you

1644
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,319
know anti-gravity is possible now uh

1645
01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:48,799
telekinesis or

1646
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:50,240
that the all of a sudden are possible

1647
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:51,359
you might have received a download or

1648
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:53,200
some kind of communication all of these

1649
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:55,440
things that you were told or based on

1650
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:57,039
your science or engineering whatever you

1651
01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:58,880
know you're schooling those things that

1652
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:01,039
stuff didn't happen couldn't exist all

1653
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:02,960
of a sudden now it does exist what are

1654
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:05,280
you going to do and who are you going to

1655
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:06,799
talk to about that stuff you know i mean

1656
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:08,079
you need somebody to talk to you so you

1657
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:09,039
come to one of these meetings you

1658
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:10,559
haven't talked about haven't mentioned

1659
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:12,079
this thing to anybody because you you

1660
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:12,960
know everybody's going to think you're

1661
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:14,240
crazy but you get to this meeting you're

1662
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:15,920
hearing these people sharing

1663
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:17,920
you're like whoa you know and now you

1664
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:19,920
can unload that story and oftentimes

1665
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:21,039
people come up and they'll come up to me

1666
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:22,480
i just want to tell you what happened to

1667
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:23,760
me in the you know they start rattling

1668
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:25,520
it off and you're like okay you know go

1669
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:26,880
ahead slow down

1670
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:28,319
tell your story let's hear about it you

1671
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:29,119
know

1672
01:05:34,829 --> 01:05:32,079
have has there ever been a a child you

1673
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:34,839
know like parents come in with a child

1674
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,880
and child has had a story yeah yeah

1675
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:40,559
really tell me about that well for

1676
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:42,160
example one of our board members uh

1677
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,799
she's an abductee and uh her daughter is

1678
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:46,559
now an abductee

1679
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:47,839
and the interesting thing is you know

1680
01:05:51,029 --> 01:05:49,200
okay you know you can claim you're an

1681
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:51,039
abductee and tell a story right but then

1682
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:53,599
when you take a video in your lit

1683
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:54,799
living room you're playing your kids

1684
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:56,079
playing on the living room floor with

1685
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,000
what the dog and then all of a sudden

1686
01:06:01,910 --> 01:06:00,240
the video catches this weird

1687
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:01,920
kind of phenomenon that flies through

1688
01:06:05,589 --> 01:06:03,359
the room

1689
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:05,599
and then her boyfriend who wasn't the

1690
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:07,359
boyfriend she brought last time says

1691
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:10,079
yeah i was there and i saw this little

1692
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:12,240
thing in the room you know not the same

1693
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:13,359
episode but a different episode we were

1694
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:14,880
asleep and then i opened the closet

1695
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:17,039
there was this thing whatever

1696
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:18,480
you know you start to think oh this

1697
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:20,799
person's actually uh telling the truth

1698
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:23,119
how how old was she

1699
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:24,720
the the little girl yeah she's now

1700
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:27,359
probably eight i'm gonna i guess you're

1701
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:29,200
kidding me no wow well you know

1702
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:31,280
abduction goes it goes through lineage

1703
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:33,359
it goes from mother to daughter and

1704
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:36,079
mother to son and then on and on and on

1705
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,440
and this seems to go back to your

1706
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:39,039
grandmother your great grandma to back

1707
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:40,640
back back back back

1708
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,200
and uh so it's not

1709
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:45,119
it's you know it's not surprising that

1710
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:46,319
it's happening to the little girl

1711
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:47,440
because it was happening to the mom and

1712
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:48,799
it was probably happening the moms you

1713
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:51,520
know the mom's mom and so on you know

1714
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:53,920
that's how it goes have you ever been

1715
01:07:01,670 --> 01:06:57,680
affected by sleep paralysis oh yeah

1716
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:01,680
and was it related to anything

1717
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,760
not i can't say unequivocally that it

1718
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:05,760
was related to anything like an

1719
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:08,400
abduction experience i've had you know

1720
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:09,839
memories in my past

1721
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:10,799
that

1722
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,839
i didn't

1723
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,440
put together as abduction right till i

1724
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:15,119
got into this phenomenon right right

1725
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:16,480
things were happening to me i just

1726
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:18,000
thought it was just the nightmares of a

1727
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:19,359
child or you know i mean i was

1728
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,760
rationalizing you rationalized

1729
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:23,119
stuff like that right guys coming

1730
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:24,480
through little guys coming through walls

1731
01:07:26,789 --> 01:07:25,280
and you're doing battle with them

1732
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,799
mentally you know trying to fight them

1733
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:28,480
off that kind of thing you know you just

1734
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:30,720
think that's that's just a kid having

1735
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,760
nightmares but there was a period of

1736
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:33,359
time when i was in junior high where i

1737
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:35,280
would not go to sleep i would stay up

1738
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:37,520
all night till about 3 a.m and when i

1739
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:43,109
yeah i knew it was safe to go to bed wow

1740
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:44,960
yeah and that that went on for maybe two

1741
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:47,520
three years i had i had one experience

1742
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:49,760
one time it's never happened again but

1743
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:52,559
this is what happened i i um i used to

1744
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:55,599
live alone in sherman oaks south of the

1745
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:56,400
boulevard

1746
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,960
i'm sorry man yeah

1747
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:00,880
south of the boulevard in the

1748
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:03,599
as if you if you know the valley

1749
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:05,359
south of the boulevard and sherman oaks

1750
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:08,079
is the place to be okay okay and we all

1751
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:09,280
know that you were happening yeah it was

1752
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:11,440
a high rent district

1753
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:14,799
right okay and i'm going to take a stab

1754
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:16,799
at this and

1755
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:19,520
say it was 1995 1996.

1756
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:24,960
and uh i'm alone in bed and i woke up uh

1757
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:31,510
uh in my bedroom i had your standard

1758
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:34,080
issue i want everybody to just picture

1759
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,199
because it it

1760
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:37,199
are you gonna say waterbed no no no no

1761
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:38,960
but you know so a couple of night stands

1762
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,839
with flames on them okay right bed um at

1763
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:43,600
the foot of the bed little entertainment

1764
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:44,480
center

1765
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:47,359
25 inch 30 inch whatever sony trinitron

1766
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:50,400
yeah yeah couple of stereo speakers on

1767
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:53,120
stands okay okay that were out on each

1768
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:55,040
side and the

1769
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:56,960
stereo speaker looking at the tv the

1770
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:58,960
stereo speaker to the right

1771
01:09:01,990 --> 01:08:59,759
uh

1772
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:02,000
is in the corner and then the one on the

1773
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:04,159
left was over by the bedroom door so

1774
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:06,640
they were spaced apart maybe 15 feet

1775
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:08,000
right with this entertainment center in

1776
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,040
the middle

1777
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:11,359
walls are white and so

1778
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:13,839
um the entertainment center with the tv

1779
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:14,880
is dark

1780
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:16,319
you know it's black yeah and the

1781
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:18,239
speakers on the speaker stands are black

1782
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:20,880
okay okay but the walls are white okay

1783
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:21,839
okay

1784
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:23,600
and i wake up

1785
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:25,279
at about

1786
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:26,880
i don't know probably three o'clock in

1787
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:28,960
the morning four o'clock in the morning

1788
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:31,600
dead quiet everything's quiet

1789
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:33,440
and i couldn't move

1790
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:34,560
and

1791
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:37,920
i went to move i thought about moving

1792
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:40,159
right i'm lying on my back your eyes are

1793
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:43,600
open yeah yeah yeah and i couldn't move

1794
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:47,839
and my heart immediately almost exploded

1795
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:49,600
out of my chest

1796
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:51,839
yeah and i went through this adrenaline

1797
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:54,320
fear thing like the drop off a roller

1798
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:56,880
coaster that first drop yeah yeah yeah

1799
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:58,159
just

1800
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:02,000
adrenaline surge and i couldn't move and

1801
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,000
i'm looking at the ceiling

1802
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:06,560
and i couldn't move and i looked down

1803
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:08,320
tried to look i couldn't move my head

1804
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:09,360
and i

1805
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:11,840
tried to look down

1806
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,480
by my feet okay and i thought and this

1807
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,800
is what made it worse

1808
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:18,400
i thought

1809
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:21,840
i saw a little yeah a little guy

1810
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:25,280
standing behind the speaker stand to my

1811
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:26,320
right

1812
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:28,640
next to the sliding glass doors i went

1813
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:32,960
out to a patio okay and that caused

1814
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:35,440
the second adrenaline surge

1815
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,640
that he was i i was and i couldn't move

1816
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:40,719
yeah i couldn't move no no no i've

1817
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:42,400
experienced that not i haven't seen a

1818
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:44,080
little guy but i've experienced that

1819
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:45,760
total paralysis but yeah your eyes are

1820
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:48,560
open i couldn't move and it it lasted

1821
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,520
for about

1822
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:54,000
about 15 minutes whoa

1823
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:56,080
yeah yeah it's a long time and i was in

1824
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:58,400
the dark and i was panicking oh my god

1825
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:01,199
and i thought that um i had visions of

1826
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:02,320
uh

1827
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:04,239
of this is what it's like to be

1828
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,520
paralyzed uh uh a war veteran or

1829
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:09,360
whatever right right right you where you

1830
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:11,280
can't move right you're thinking your

1831
01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:13,520
brain is saying functioning

1832
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:14,560
your brain

1833
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:16,960
is going dude dude

1834
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,560
but i couldn't move

1835
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:20,400
and i panicked and panicked i

1836
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:22,560
hyperventilated i laid their bed and

1837
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:25,360
then suddenly i think i think my feet

1838
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:26,719
moved first

1839
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:28,800
and i could move and i jumped up out of

1840
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:31,360
bed and i i i

1841
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:32,719
i didn't jump out of bed i turned on the

1842
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:34,560
lights on that's part of the story on

1843
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:36,960
both of my nightstands there was nothing

1844
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,080
nobody's standing behind the speaker the

1845
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:42,800
speaker and that was and so for 15

1846
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:45,040
minutes it was like this standoff you

1847
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:46,719
know i knew that this guy but i couldn't

1848
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:48,640
move my head i couldn't tip my head up

1849
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:50,960
to look but as far as i could look down

1850
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,679
with

1851
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:53,520
my eyes between my feet as far as i

1852
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:55,360
could go it looked like

1853
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:56,640
there was somebody standing there

1854
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,960
looking at me oh bizarre it was messed

1855
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:01,440
up oh that's messed up i never

1856
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:02,719
told

1857
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:04,320
anybody

1858
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:07,040
i got up right now

1859
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:10,320
i think i told uh doug aldrich the uh

1860
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:11,840
the good you know the guitar player on

1861
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:15,280
the show um i told him uh that later on

1862
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:16,560
that week other than that did you tell

1863
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:18,080
about the little dude

1864
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:19,440
you couldn't move no i told him i

1865
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:21,360
couldn't move okay i told him i couldn't

1866
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:23,600
move and i and i lied to him too i think

1867
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:25,679
i told him there was a scary movie on tv

1868
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:27,600
okay yeah my tv was off you know the

1869
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:30,800
room was dark yeah but um but anyway

1870
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:33,920
i slept with the lights on and the tv on

1871
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:36,719
every night after that wow every night

1872
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:39,600
yeah tv was on all night yeah when 9 11

1873
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:41,199
happened

1874
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:43,440
i saw it happen live because that tv

1875
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:44,719
stayed on

1876
01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:46,400
you know i mean i i we're talking about

1877
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:48,640
five years of trans of watching tv

1878
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:49,600
having a

1879
01:12:53,669 --> 01:12:50,560
um

1880
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:53,679
ask ask rita or six ask rita

1881
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:55,360
she finally

1882
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:58,400
talked to me out of having the tv on

1883
01:13:03,110 --> 01:13:01,360
maybe about five years ago wow um and so

1884
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:03,120
we've been running without tv at night

1885
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:04,000
now

1886
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:06,640
i bet you it's never happened again uh

1887
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:08,960
no yeah no that was the only time yeah

1888
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:11,520
but it really happened and

1889
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:14,560
there was a moment um also that was

1890
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:16,400
really kind of freaky

1891
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:18,880
where i felt like um

1892
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:22,239
i was uh i i was falling backwards like

1893
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:23,600
there was a hole in the back of the

1894
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:25,840
mattress yeah yeah it's a falling yeah i

1895
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:27,440
know you've heard of this no i've done

1896
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:28,880
it

1897
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:34,400
falling backwards and then whoop yeah

1898
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:37,520
the bed yes yes yes that and and it was

1899
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:39,040
really weird it was like a moment of

1900
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,440
weightlessness and nausea yeah and

1901
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,520
adrenaline definitely a sensation of

1902
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:45,840
falling yeah like like like you're

1903
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:47,679
falling backwards yeah yeah backwards

1904
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:49,840
and then the bed is all sudden stop [\h__\h]

1905
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:54,640
yeah yeah it was weird and again um

1906
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:56,719
when i hear

1907
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:58,159
um

1908
01:14:02,470 --> 01:14:00,400
other people tell their story i've never

1909
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:02,480
heard anybody say it exactly like mine

1910
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:03,760
or anything like that

1911
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:04,960
but um

1912
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:07,679
but i believe them because i know

1913
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:09,840
exactly what happened to me and it

1914
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:12,080
wasn't like i had on

1915
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:13,280
art bell

1916
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:16,000
you know on the am radio right and

1917
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:19,360
something influenced my dreams right no

1918
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:21,679
it was one of those nights quiet nothing

1919
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:23,520
on i was just sleeping

1920
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:26,480
and something woke me up yeah and i

1921
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:28,719
don't know if it was the guy standing

1922
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,320
behind

1923
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:32,159
the speaker looking at me and i still

1924
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:33,440
don't know if there was somebody there

1925
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:36,800
but i felt that that was that the i was

1926
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:38,960
the catalyst it was a stand

1927
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:41,199
no yeah it was a standoff in the room

1928
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:42,960
you know and i was just praying for him

1929
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:45,840
to go away yeah i couldn't move yeah and

1930
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:47,520
it was a it was a bizarre thing and like

1931
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:48,480
i said

1932
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:51,679
tv on lights on every night after that

1933
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:55,360
um hall lights on i didn't care i lit up

1934
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:57,920
that place like a christmas tree and

1935
01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:00,000
yeah here's the bizarre the interesting

1936
01:15:04,149 --> 01:15:01,600
thing about that a lot of people have

1937
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,159
that experience and a lot of people have

1938
01:15:08,830 --> 01:15:06,400
uh feel they're people in the room okay

1939
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:08,840
they're paralyzed but mo more often than

1940
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:11,760
not it's not a little dude it's a tall

1941
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:12,800
guy

1942
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:15,840
that is more black than the room

1943
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:16,800
like

1944
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,080
hole black where the light just can't

1945
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:22,080
get away from it and they're usually

1946
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:23,760
tall they and the weirdest part they're

1947
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:25,600
usually wearing a hat a fedora this is

1948
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:28,239
the weird part okay that makes no sense

1949
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:30,480
and it just sounds silly but oftentimes

1950
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:31,920
they look like they're probably about

1951
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:34,719
six seven foot tall they may or may not

1952
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:37,280
have red glowing eyes staring at them

1953
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:38,480
menacingly

1954
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:40,800
uh often times a menacing feeling or an

1955
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:43,120
evil feeling coming from that entity or

1956
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:44,960
whatever it is and the dude's wearing a

1957
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:46,400
cape and a hat

1958
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:48,800
now go figure that out why i mean that's

1959
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:51,520
bizarre um but then and then every now

1960
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:52,880
and then the grace you mean like a

1961
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:55,679
mothman kind of guy yeah well

1962
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:57,920
not even with the wings we're like just

1963
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:01,040
a dude a tall figure with a cloak

1964
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:02,880
sometimes with a collar up you know kind

1965
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:04,880
of thing and the fedora hat

1966
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:07,360
or a tall hat of some sort and then

1967
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,960
they're just standing by the bed and

1968
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:10,560
you're frozen and you're looking at them

1969
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:12,239
and there's this feeling of dread

1970
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:14,800
feeling of evil you can't move this is

1971
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:16,880
this is described over and over again so

1972
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:19,120
your story is not that far off from what

1973
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:21,360
i hear and then and the but the little

1974
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,280
guy that's a different deal you know the

1975
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,440
little guy usually there's more than

1976
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:27,120
one little guy or if there's if there's

1977
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:28,560
a little guy there's there's a couple

1978
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:30,880
little guys in one tall

1979
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,120
insectoid looking dude in the room yeah

1980
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:35,120
and i never i never you know i didn't

1981
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:37,520
see any eyes i didn't see anything i

1982
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:38,960
couldn't look

1983
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:42,800
but as far down in in your lower

1984
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:44,560
peripheral vision just imagine laying on

1985
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:46,159
your back and not moving your head than

1986
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,600
trying to look at your feet that's what

1987
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:49,760
i was trying to do my head was propped

1988
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:52,000
up on the pillow a little bit yeah so i

1989
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:54,400
could kind of force myself i couldn't

1990
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:56,719
move my head but i could force myself to

1991
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:58,320
get you know trying to get this into

1992
01:17:01,830 --> 01:16:59,199
focus

1993
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:01,840
um but i didn't see it was like you know

1994
01:17:07,830 --> 01:17:05,760
gray alien no it was all black yeah um

1995
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:07,840
and it was just a figure like

1996
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:09,520
you mentioned standoff you said it was a

1997
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:11,600
standoff you were fighting

1998
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:13,520
kind of psychically with that thing yeah

1999
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:15,199
yeah yeah that was the vibe yeah it was

2000
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:16,960
it was a standoff

2001
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,360
yeah you were wrestling with it

2002
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:21,840
i could feel that guy it was standing

2003
01:17:25,270 --> 01:17:23,120
there looking at it was trying to

2004
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,280
control you you were trying to resist it

2005
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:27,360
you know i i i mean

2006
01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:29,600
all i know is all i know is the feeling

2007
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:34,400
that i had was me thinking to myself

2008
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:36,400
get out get that get out move him out

2009
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:40,000
get moved out leave me alone and and he

2010
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:41,920
wouldn't move now again i don't want

2011
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:44,239
everybody to go churches whacked yeah

2012
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:47,840
i'm just saying i never officially saw i

2013
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,640
but

2014
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:50,880
as far as i could see

2015
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:52,880
that it was what was causing the tension

2016
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:54,400
in the room and

2017
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:57,280
and finally when i got up and and could

2018
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:59,360
move and turn on the lights there was

2019
01:18:03,669 --> 01:18:01,199
nothing there okay so here there's your

2020
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:03,679
story right and on its own you would say

2021
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:05,840
okay maybe church is wack but no i hear

2022
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:07,920
i mean that's the story i hear

2023
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:09,840
often you know i mean over the years

2024
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:11,040
i've heard that story over and over

2025
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,880
again told different ways a little bit

2026
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:13,920
different here and there they turn the

2027
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:15,760
light on you know some people manage to

2028
01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:18,719
get themselves to moving in a limb some

2029
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:20,000
people like they'll move they can move

2030
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:20,880
their hand once they move their hand

2031
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:22,320
they move the arm they turn the light on

2032
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,679
and everything disappears right and it's

2033
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:25,280
all back to normal right

2034
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:27,520
so it's a really bizarre it's kind of

2035
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:28,719
that's kind of what happened bizarre

2036
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:31,360
phenomenon there scared me yeah there's

2037
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,600
scare the crap out of it i'm sorry i i i

2038
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:35,360
never pleasant never pleasant never play

2039
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:36,320
i've never heard somebody say that was

2040
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:37,760
the best experience ever had let me tell

2041
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:39,600
you about this thing that i had the tv

2042
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:43,679
on and lights on for the next 10 years

2043
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:44,719
yeah

2044
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:50,880
statement about how once something like

2045
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:53,120
that happens to you it changes your

2046
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,719
world view changes your perception of

2047
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:56,400
reality and you have to deal with things

2048
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:57,679
in a different way yeah and so when

2049
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:00,480
somebody tells me a story like that i i

2050
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:02,880
it's like i i get it yeah yeah you know

2051
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:04,960
i don't i i've never said yeah it's

2052
01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:06,480
happened to me

2053
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:08,080
i don't want to open up that door right

2054
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:10,960
um and get that going but now you know

2055
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:12,480
everybody around the world knows now

2056
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:15,760
we're talking now uh i was thinking uh

2057
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:18,800
about uh the show tonight and i wanted

2058
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:19,679
to

2059
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:20,719
uh

2060
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:23,920
we've got a bunch of stuff that is

2061
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:25,280
coming i want to hear about these talk

2062
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:27,360
about the trumpets um yeah well let's

2063
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:29,440
get to that

2064
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:30,960
is uh

2065
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:36,550
is this i wanted to tell the story and

2066
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:38,080
the reason why i'm going to tell this

2067
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:40,640
story and i'm hoping you can match okay

2068
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:42,000
so we're going to match some stories oh

2069
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:42,800
yeah

2070
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:48,159
um this story we had uh one two three

2071
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:48,840
i

2072
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:55,679
and everybody

2073
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:58,239
that whose names i'm about to mention we

2074
01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:00,719
have over the years

2075
01:20:04,350 --> 01:20:03,120
been together in a group

2076
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:04,360
and

2077
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:07,440
re-canted we told the story right

2078
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:10,960
re-told the story right and and uh

2079
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:13,600
uh it's uh it's it's it's crazy but this

2080
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:14,800
is what happened all right this is gonna

2081
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:17,440
be good yeah yeah it's nuts

2082
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:19,199
in indianapolis

2083
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:20,560
uh

2084
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:21,520
on the

2085
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:24,400
which is where this happened in

2086
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:25,360
cumberland

2087
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:27,520
back when this happened in

2088
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:30,400
in 1983

2089
01:20:36,629 --> 01:20:33,199
right before i moved to california 1983

2090
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:36,639
in this part of uh cumberland uh east

2091
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:38,239
side of indy

2092
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:41,760
was miles and miles of corn fields

2093
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:43,120
miles

2094
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:44,239
okay

2095
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:46,320
and everybody in indianapolis that's

2096
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:49,120
listening to me right now knows exactly

2097
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:50,880
what i'm saying today

2098
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:53,520
suburbia but back then

2099
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:57,280
corn fields okay for miles

2100
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:59,120
and we had a little spot

2101
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:00,400
before we had

2102
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:02,480
before we were 21

2103
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:06,400
were 18 19 20 years old we would get

2104
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:07,440
beer

2105
01:21:12,229 --> 01:21:08,719
and

2106
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:12,239
drive on this

2107
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:13,920
country road and it was called german

2108
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:15,120
church road

2109
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:17,920
and uh and we would drive out in between

2110
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,159
these corn fields and next to these

2111
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:22,560
train tracks was an access road and now

2112
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:23,520
again

2113
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:25,360
in the middle of nowhere and so we'd

2114
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:27,600
hang a right and i can't remember how i

2115
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:29,199
found this spot but i found it during

2116
01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:31,199
the day but we'd hang a right go up this

2117
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,639
access road about a quarter mile

2118
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:36,320
into this corn field where there were

2119
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:37,840
some trees

2120
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:40,080
a little chunk of trees and we could

2121
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:42,159
pull around

2122
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:43,520
and hide

2123
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:45,679
on the other side of the trees so

2124
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:47,199
from the street

2125
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:48,560
you know that's just a clump of trees

2126
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:51,840
out there and we park and drink yeah all

2127
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:55,040
alone yeah and we did it for

2128
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:56,800
a couple of years

2129
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:58,400
it was our spot and we called it the

2130
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:00,719
electric company because it was there

2131
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,199
were some power lines

2132
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:05,360
yeah yeah so one night

2133
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:06,560
uh

2134
01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:08,960
our friend had a

2135
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:12,159
i was driving our friend uh

2136
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:15,520
had a uh a four-door

2137
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:21,990
electra something that was the size of

2138
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:25,440
the queen mary okay huge you know 455

2139
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,679
rocket you know big four-door

2140
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:29,520
car where we could put like four people

2141
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:30,719
in the back seat three people in the

2142
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:33,600
front seat you know yeah and so

2143
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:35,199
at this particular night there was three

2144
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:36,560
in the back three in the front had a

2145
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,960
cooler full of beer and we pull up to

2146
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:40,400
the electric company it's one o'clock in

2147
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:43,360
the morning it's a little bit misty

2148
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:44,880
foggy thick

2149
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:48,239
thick thick thick fog

2150
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:50,560
and i want to say it was

2151
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:51,520
uh

2152
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:52,400
fall

2153
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:54,159
okay so it's cold outside yeah yeah so

2154
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:57,520
we pull we back up or it's all dark and

2155
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:00,560
foggy and crazy we back the car up we

2156
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:02,480
start drinking i'm sitting at this i'm

2157
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:04,239
sitting at the you're the driver i'm the

2158
01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:05,360
driver

2159
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:07,760
and it's too cold to get out of the car

2160
01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:09,199
so we're sitting there drinking but

2161
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:12,560
we're surrounded by this fog and the fog

2162
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,440
is like ending

2163
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:17,280
three feet in front of the car it's just

2164
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:21,520
like this wall of dense fog and uh

2165
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:23,600
and it's dark and we're drinking

2166
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:25,360
and all of a sudden

2167
01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:27,360
right out of the front of the car

2168
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:28,880
through the fog

2169
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:31,120
comes this dude

2170
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:33,440
and he's got like a hood

2171
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:34,560
a hoodie

2172
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:36,159
and he's old

2173
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:37,920
like walking

2174
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:39,120
old

2175
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:42,480
little hunchback okay and he's got this

2176
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:45,760
hoodie on and i could see his chin

2177
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:49,040
and i i mean i freak and then just uh no

2178
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:51,280
no no no you have to remember

2179
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:53,760
i set it up for you we are miles from

2180
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,239
nowhere and what year is this 83. yeah

2181
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:58,400
okay so just for the listeners out there

2182
01:24:05,189 --> 01:23:59,840
back those days people didn't really

2183
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:07,270
i don't know if it was it was black i

2184
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:10,000
don't know if it was a sweat

2185
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:13,280
shirt hoodie but it was a hooded

2186
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:15,440
thing over here anyway so i could see i

2187
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:18,480
could see and he comes up to the window

2188
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:20,400
and stands there and he's got his hands

2189
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:22,239
in his pocket and i can't see his eyes i

2190
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,920
could see his chin

2191
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:25,679
and he's standing outside of the car

2192
01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:28,159
window and we're not and

2193
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:30,239
nobody is saying a word we're like

2194
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:33,120
looking at holy crap right right right

2195
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:34,639
and i

2196
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:37,120
crack the

2197
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:39,040
window as an electric window i cracked

2198
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:40,639
it like an inch

2199
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:43,199
right and he leans over and goes you

2200
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:49,830
the silence i'm doing right now that's

2201
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:56,629
i go no

2202
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:59,440
and rolled up the window he turns

2203
01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:01,920
and walks away back into the into the

2204
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:03,920
fog

2205
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:07,440
bazaar at one o'clock in the morning

2206
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:10,800
now the crazy thing is

2207
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:11,920
we're sitting in there i mean it was

2208
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:13,840
just dead silent in the car what the

2209
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:14,880
hell

2210
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:17,520
yeah where did he come from because and

2211
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:19,600
where did he go well the direction he's

2212
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:22,000
walking back into the fog in front of

2213
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:24,960
him is like 10 miles of corn fields yeah

2214
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:27,440
you know and i remember

2215
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:29,679
we were so freaked out man

2216
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:31,760
and we tell the story to this day now it

2217
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:34,159
happened just like i'm telling you yeah

2218
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:36,880
now uh and we knew this area really well

2219
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:38,159
we would go out there during the day

2220
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,600
we'd go out there at night we went there

2221
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:41,280
all the time and we knew there were no

2222
01:25:45,270 --> 01:25:43,120
houses there was nothing there so i

2223
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,280
think it was the next day

2224
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:47,760
we went back and it was uh me and my

2225
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:49,520
best friend jim mccleester i wish he

2226
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:51,120
would call in mack daddy if you're

2227
01:25:54,709 --> 01:25:52,800
listening right now you got to call in

2228
01:25:56,229 --> 01:25:54,719
and share that story any any of you guys

2229
01:25:58,709 --> 01:25:56,239
kurt stokes

2230
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:58,719
smiley all you guys anyway we went back

2231
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:01,040
the next day just to check it out to see

2232
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:02,400
where he and there was there's just

2233
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:03,920
nothing there

2234
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:06,960
nothing yeah and he's an old guy yeah

2235
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:09,440
where was he walking from what's he you

2236
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:10,800
know there was no car there was no

2237
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:12,800
nothing he just walked up out of that

2238
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:15,120
looking for his dog at one o'clock in

2239
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:17,360
the morning and he had to walk from

2240
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:20,239
wherever he was walking from for miles

2241
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:21,280
yeah

2242
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:24,880
freaky zad is a true story bizarre true

2243
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:27,120
story true story we tell it all the time

2244
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:29,600
and i gotta tell you i gotta tell you

2245
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:32,159
that we were everybody in the car

2246
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:35,120
pretty in shape you know 18 19 20 year

2247
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:37,440
old you know all in shape all good all

2248
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:39,440
laugh you know all that everything was

2249
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:42,400
good we were petrified man

2250
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:44,080
petrified

2251
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:45,360
scared

2252
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:51,520
stayed there for a few more minutes i

2253
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:53,520
mean my hands were shaking

2254
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:55,120
we didn't know what to

2255
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:56,880
wear the cooler was out of the trunk

2256
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:58,400
right it was sitting out in the grass

2257
01:27:02,229 --> 01:27:00,159
right next to us nobody wanted to get

2258
01:27:03,430 --> 01:27:02,239
out no you get out you put it in the

2259
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:03,440
trunk

2260
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,639
let's leave it here let's just go

2261
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:08,719
dude ever have anything like that

2262
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:10,159
negative no i've never had anything like

2263
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:11,760
that but i've heard stories man i've

2264
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:14,400
heard some strange stories of gnomes you

2265
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:16,080
know little little guys with hoods

2266
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,320
little guys with little uh little hats

2267
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:20,159
walking across the road people have seen

2268
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:22,080
these things well how about a mothman

2269
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:24,159
mothman people hundreds well not

2270
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:26,320
hundreds lots of people saw the mothman

2271
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:28,400
during that time you know not a hundred

2272
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:30,080
how many witnesses were there quite a

2273
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:33,600
few in the 20s something like that um

2274
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:35,440
and flying humanoids man people have

2275
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:37,600
seen them over long island over coney

2276
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:40,560
island or yeah

2277
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:43,440
flying humanoids bizarre stuff i have a

2278
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:45,280
friend um

2279
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:48,000
dale if he listens to the show all the

2280
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:50,000
time i've known him for 25 30 years dale

2281
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:52,480
if you're listening in vegas

2282
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:55,520
call in right now 323 825 5045. you got

2283
01:27:59,590 --> 01:27:57,520
the number call in

2284
01:28:03,270 --> 01:27:59,600
i'm gonna i'm gonna tell your story

2285
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:03,280
briefly and then uh if

2286
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:05,600
i know you're listening just call in

2287
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:06,800
um

2288
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:10,159
he was on the angelus crest freeway

2289
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:13,360
and he no no i'm sorry i talked to him a

2290
01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:15,920
couple of weeks ago my memory the story

2291
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:17,920
is 30 years old now so

2292
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:19,679
i always thought it was angelus crest

2293
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:22,400
freeway he corrected me and said

2294
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:25,040
it was another mountain road off of the

2295
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:27,280
10 freeway going up into the mountains

2296
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:30,320
um from there back near covina

2297
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:32,400
so um but anyway i thought it was

2298
01:28:35,669 --> 01:28:34,159
angela's crest same it doesn't matter

2299
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:35,679
although those mountain roads are the

2300
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:39,040
same but he's up there with a couple of

2301
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:40,159
friends

2302
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:42,080
and there was a pickup truck in front of

2303
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:43,120
him

2304
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:44,080
and

2305
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:47,360
the pickup truck slams on its brakes

2306
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:48,159
and

2307
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:49,199
uh

2308
01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:52,800
a ufo a classic flying saucer had flown

2309
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:54,320
over the car

2310
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:57,120
and the guy slammed on his brakes and

2311
01:29:00,470 --> 01:28:59,199
they pull over he pulls over i think

2312
01:29:02,470 --> 01:29:00,480
they might have both been in pickup

2313
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:02,480
trucks i don't know but they pull over

2314
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:05,280
and they watch this thing as witnesses

2315
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:06,080
and

2316
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:07,679
uh

2317
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:09,520
and everybody's freaked out i mean it

2318
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:10,960
was kind of like the movie close

2319
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:13,600
encounters just buzzed

2320
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:15,360
the cars

2321
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:17,120
they freak out

2322
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:18,800
did you see that yeah yeah yeah they get

2323
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:20,560
back in their cars a few minutes later

2324
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:21,920
they're driving up the road and the

2325
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:24,080
pickup truck again like slams on its

2326
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:26,159
brakes gets it sideways they slam on

2327
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:29,679
their brakes and across the road

2328
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:32,000
are i think he says three dale you got

2329
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,600
to call in brother you got to tell the

2330
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:35,360
story because i'm messing it up already

2331
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:38,480
but running across the street are three

2332
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:40,080
aliens

2333
01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:43,280
like two feet tall three feet tall short

2334
01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:44,239
um

2335
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:47,040
uh in space suits but

2336
01:29:50,830 --> 01:29:49,520
they couldn't focus on them what do you

2337
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:50,840
mean he said they were

2338
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:52,639
fuzzy

2339
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:54,480
like blurry

2340
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:56,239
blurry and he said that they were

2341
01:30:00,870 --> 01:29:57,440
running

2342
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:00,880
sliding and they weren't they weren't

2343
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:02,800
quite touching the ground right but he

2344
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:04,960
said he said i want to say this

2345
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:08,880
correctly like they were moving sideways

2346
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:09,840
okay

2347
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:12,400
and that is the game yeah yeah yeah yeah

2348
01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:13,520
and then

2349
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:16,400
um and he said everybody was freaked

2350
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:18,080
everybody had jumped out of their cars

2351
01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:19,199
he said there was like six or eight

2352
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:20,960
people and

2353
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:22,159
they uh

2354
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:25,040
like us uh fuzzy

2355
01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:27,360
jittery out of focus

2356
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:30,159
movements rapid he said it was just

2357
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:32,239
crazy how fast they were moving yeah and

2358
01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:33,679
they went down across the street and

2359
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:35,360
into the woods and they took off running

2360
01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:38,239
after him what yep

2361
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:40,560
never caught him that took some guts yep

2362
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:42,560
never caught him lost him in the woods

2363
01:30:46,830 --> 01:30:44,639
wow and he said that

2364
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:46,840
the way that he describes it

2365
01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:48,960
again um

2366
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:50,400
uh

2367
01:30:56,950 --> 01:30:53,520
and he he he he freaks out this is the

2368
01:30:58,709 --> 01:30:56,960
first time i've ever heard uh a witness

2369
01:31:00,790 --> 01:30:58,719
describing the fact that they couldn't

2370
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:00,800
get a focus on the object or on the on

2371
01:31:04,629 --> 01:31:03,199
the alien i've never heard that before

2372
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:04,639
that's interesting it's like a field

2373
01:31:07,750 --> 01:31:06,000
technology they're they're putting

2374
01:31:09,910 --> 01:31:07,760
something around them that causes them

2375
01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:09,920
to be fuzzed i mean every notice

2376
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:11,120
well he said

2377
01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:12,320
he said

2378
01:31:16,870 --> 01:31:15,280
dale you got to call in brother um

2379
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:16,880
he said that uh

2380
01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:18,000
uh

2381
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:20,880
they had the motion like they were

2382
01:31:24,709 --> 01:31:23,360
walking sideways

2383
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:24,719
okay yeah

2384
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:27,120
but they were taking

2385
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:31,360
really huge distances for the step yeah

2386
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:33,840
yeah really fast yeah and blurry yeah

2387
01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:36,800
crazy and and then i've heard silver

2388
01:31:41,590 --> 01:31:39,440
suits yep silver suits common the

2389
01:31:43,510 --> 01:31:41,600
movement is interesting the movement

2390
01:31:45,189 --> 01:31:43,520
doesn't like the step doesn't correlate

2391
01:31:47,189 --> 01:31:45,199
with the distance traveled that's often

2392
01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:47,199
the case they'll cover like extreme

2393
01:31:50,470 --> 01:31:49,040
amounts of distance with almost and

2394
01:31:51,590 --> 01:31:50,480
sometimes not even moving at all but

2395
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:51,600
just kind of

2396
01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:53,440
sliding across the ground so to speak

2397
01:31:56,790 --> 01:31:55,360
you know without touching the ground

2398
01:31:58,870 --> 01:31:56,800
very bizarre

2399
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:58,880
keep keep talking i'm going to call dale

2400
01:32:03,110 --> 01:32:00,800
okay yeah called

2401
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:03,120
that's a great story man

2402
01:32:06,709 --> 01:32:05,360
i mean jeez the the object you know

2403
01:32:08,950 --> 01:32:06,719
first of all you have the ufo then

2404
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:08,960
you've got the aliens these guys got out

2405
01:32:12,229 --> 01:32:11,040
of their trucks had the presence of mind

2406
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:12,239
they weren't scared out of their woods

2407
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:14,400
they went and chased after these things

2408
01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:16,880
that's amazing that's amazing

2409
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:18,400
bunch of witnesses

2410
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:21,199
wow how how many witnesses were there

2411
01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:23,600
i think he said there was like three or

2412
01:32:25,830 --> 01:32:24,560
four

2413
01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:25,840
um

2414
01:32:29,910 --> 01:32:27,920
uh in the truck in front of them okay

2415
01:32:32,390 --> 01:32:29,920
and i know that uh it was a couple of

2416
01:32:34,149 --> 01:32:32,400
guys and like three girls

2417
01:32:35,910 --> 01:32:34,159
and uh

2418
01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:35,920
um

2419
01:32:40,709 --> 01:32:38,800
it was him and two friends i thought it

2420
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:40,719
was him and his brother

2421
01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:44,239
um but it wasn't uh i went and talked to

2422
01:32:47,910 --> 01:32:46,480
him about this uh a couple of weeks ago

2423
01:32:49,030 --> 01:32:47,920
i had to uh

2424
01:32:51,510 --> 01:32:49,040
yeah

2425
01:32:53,669 --> 01:32:51,520
um uh i had to talk to him about a

2426
01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:53,679
couple of other things he was actually

2427
01:32:58,390 --> 01:32:55,600
uh planning a trip out to kingman

2428
01:33:01,350 --> 01:32:58,400
arizona and he was gonna hook up with uh

2429
01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:01,360
somebody out there and to go uh do some

2430
01:33:06,550 --> 01:33:04,320
prospecting at the kingman crash site oh

2431
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:06,560
so yeah that was uh interesting i think

2432
01:33:10,149 --> 01:33:08,400
he's out doing that right now

2433
01:33:12,070 --> 01:33:10,159
so maybe that's where he is yeah check

2434
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:12,080
this out just got this email in it's

2435
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:14,159
pretty interesting he says uh

2436
01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:17,040
uh about the malaysian crash he says

2437
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:19,760
it's this is from jc

2438
01:33:24,390 --> 01:33:21,199
uh

2439
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:24,400
third world countries testing emp laser

2440
01:33:31,830 --> 01:33:31,030
interesting theory good good uh you know

2441
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:31,840
this

2442
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:34,800
when um it comes to uh hold on i got

2443
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:37,520
another one that they're coming in

2444
01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:39,360
yeah if you can deliver an emp why not

2445
01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:41,760
deliver with a laser or a part of some

2446
01:33:45,430 --> 01:33:43,440
sort of particle weapon micro b

2447
01:33:48,629 --> 01:33:45,440
microwave beam you know technology what

2448
01:33:50,390 --> 01:33:48,639
about harp harp yeah harp is still the

2449
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:50,400
more that i find out the more that i

2450
01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:52,400
know about harp the more that i'm scared

2451
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:54,480
the less that you like it yeah yeah yeah

2452
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:56,320
okay this just came in from brad it says

2453
01:33:59,910 --> 01:33:58,080
i have a hard time with people that say

2454
01:34:01,590 --> 01:33:59,920
they've had a sighting and they talk

2455
01:34:03,590 --> 01:34:01,600
about the lights on the craft i think in

2456
01:34:05,669 --> 01:34:03,600
my mind they can travel such massive

2457
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:05,679
distances with technology so far ahead

2458
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:08,320
of us why would they need headlights

2459
01:34:13,510 --> 01:34:10,320
yeah what do you guys think yeah no

2460
01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:13,520
never in the end is from brad he says uh

2461
01:34:17,350 --> 01:34:15,760
i've never heard anyone talk about this

2462
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:17,360
before

2463
01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:18,960
good good question you know they don't

2464
01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:21,600
need headlights obviously you know they

2465
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:23,679
yeah i don't i don't know why would they

2466
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:26,480
need lights if not just for you know

2467
01:34:32,470 --> 01:34:30,960
display to allow us to see them uh yeah

2468
01:34:34,629 --> 01:34:32,480
now on the other hand you've got

2469
01:34:37,430 --> 01:34:34,639
triangles which often are seen

2470
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:37,440
pushing a beam down now the light beam

2471
01:34:43,510 --> 01:34:40,239
that these craft send down

2472
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:43,520
often is described by witnesses as being

2473
01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:46,560
uh solid looking so if you g i don't

2474
01:34:51,109 --> 01:34:49,360
know if you give light some kind of mass

2475
01:34:52,950 --> 01:34:51,119
then that's how it's kind of described

2476
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:52,960
and oftentimes blue light you don't want

2477
01:34:55,910 --> 01:34:54,480
to go into the blue light if hey folks

2478
01:34:57,430 --> 01:34:55,920
out there if you see a ufo and it's

2479
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:57,440
putting down a blue light stay away from

2480
01:35:02,629 --> 01:35:00,800
the blue beam or just that's a bad one i

2481
01:35:04,550 --> 01:35:02,639
often thought

2482
01:35:06,229 --> 01:35:04,560
uh again i've said this so many times

2483
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:06,239
but

2484
01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:09,040
i i just think

2485
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:12,800
that heinek and spielberg knew something

2486
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:14,960
when they made close encounters yeah

2487
01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:17,520
when they did the work that they did on

2488
01:35:21,430 --> 01:35:18,880
those craft

2489
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:21,440
okay and had them represented the way

2490
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:23,760
that they did with the light shows

2491
01:35:26,790 --> 01:35:24,880
um

2492
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:26,800
that

2493
01:35:30,229 --> 01:35:28,400
and i don't know i don't know i don't

2494
01:35:32,790 --> 01:35:30,239
know i don't know any secret information

2495
01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:32,800
i don't no but yeah you're right i mean

2496
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:34,880
how they presented that what was that

2497
01:35:40,229 --> 01:35:38,400
movie made like 77 yeah 77 so i mean

2498
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:40,239
they were well researched whoever did

2499
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:41,600
the research for that movie they must

2500
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:43,679
have done it for you know several years

2501
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:45,199
right to put that thing together because

2502
01:35:49,109 --> 01:35:47,040
they did it well they did it well they

2503
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:49,119
did it like what you hear witnesses

2504
01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:52,239
describe and and so back to brad's email

2505
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:54,800
here why would they well look i question

2506
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:56,639
a lot of things brad

2507
01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:58,400
you know you go and you do you do

2508
01:36:02,950 --> 01:36:00,639
interstellar travel and the first thing

2509
01:36:04,229 --> 01:36:02,960
you do is you wreck your frigging craft

2510
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:04,239
in the middle of the desert in new

2511
01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:07,040
mexico you got shot down by a radar yeah

2512
01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:09,679
shot down by radar all this advanced

2513
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:11,520
technology and then you just fly here

2514
01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:13,040
and crash crash because of a

2515
01:36:16,709 --> 01:36:15,119
thunderstorm you know oh we didn't know

2516
01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:16,719
there would be lightning here

2517
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:18,880
exactly what do you do go to uh alien

2518
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:20,239
leavenworth

2519
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:22,800
you know you get demoted you know you're

2520
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:26,080
no longer a a star pilot because you

2521
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:28,480
know the first thing you do is crash now

2522
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:30,239
um but the

2523
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:32,480
the explanations for some of that and

2524
01:36:37,750 --> 01:36:35,360
the theories behind it you know uh

2525
01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:37,760
our radar technology is primitive as it

2526
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:38,719
is

2527
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:41,280
messes with their gravitational setup

2528
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:42,800
and the propulsion systems and the

2529
01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:45,360
crafts lose control and

2530
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:47,920
maybe maybe again you know it's hard to

2531
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:50,080
explain but or how about this for one uh

2532
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:52,000
maybe there was uh maybe how about two

2533
01:36:56,470 --> 01:36:53,760
doing battle in the air

2534
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:56,480
one good one bad one there for mal

2535
01:36:59,270 --> 01:36:58,159
purposes and the other one saying hey no

2536
01:37:00,790 --> 01:36:59,280
you can't do that they have a little

2537
01:37:01,910 --> 01:37:00,800
fight boom one blows the other out of

2538
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:01,920
the sky

2539
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:04,880
crash that i buy into

2540
01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:07,040
i can't see us putting down you know

2541
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:08,960
that kind of technology with radar does

2542
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:10,880
not make sense you know oh we flew into

2543
01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:12,800
high you know high powered voltage now

2544
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:14,000
come on

2545
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:15,520
do you think

2546
01:37:21,629 --> 01:37:19,360
um with all of the talk again call in

2547
01:37:24,149 --> 01:37:21,639
right now uh

2548
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:24,159
323-825-5045 if you'd like to speak with

2549
01:37:28,070 --> 01:37:25,920
uh steve marillo

2550
01:37:30,550 --> 01:37:28,080
or yours truly

2551
01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:30,560
um i've got lots of emails you know just

2552
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:31,920
go ahead and call in we've got all the

2553
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:35,440
lines open so uh anyway three two three

2554
01:37:40,390 --> 01:37:37,119
eight two five fifty forty five do you

2555
01:37:43,270 --> 01:37:40,400
think with all of the

2556
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:43,280
uh research that's going on with darpa

2557
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:45,840
and and naval research and and

2558
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:47,199
everything else

2559
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:48,480
that uh

2560
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:51,360
when reagan started to

2561
01:37:57,109 --> 01:37:54,239
make an attempt to allude to

2562
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:57,119
a defense system you know for for the

2563
01:38:03,109 --> 01:37:59,600
alien eminent alien invasion

2564
01:38:04,390 --> 01:38:03,119
star wars right right do you think we

2565
01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:04,400
would

2566
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:07,440
if if something crazy went off that we

2567
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:09,280
would have the ability to defend

2568
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:11,360
ourselves you know when you think and i

2569
01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:13,199
hate to go back to movies but we don't

2570
01:38:19,189 --> 01:38:15,280
have a reference but

2571
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:19,199
being able to uh you know uh

2572
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:21,199
you know when you look at id4 you know

2573
01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:23,520
independence day or anything else you

2574
01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:25,360
know we don't have anything well you

2575
01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:27,600
know yeah we would have to have

2576
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:29,760
secret technology you know technology

2577
01:38:33,189 --> 01:38:31,440
that you and i don't know about or our

2578
01:38:35,669 --> 01:38:33,199
normal military doesn't even know about

2579
01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:35,679
that's mounted up in space that's

2580
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:37,520
sitting there waiting and if that kind

2581
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:39,840
of thing went down that technology that

2582
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:42,320
we have is equivalent to their

2583
01:38:47,030 --> 01:38:44,400
technology that that would be the only

2584
01:38:48,310 --> 01:38:47,040
way that we'd have a chance i think

2585
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:48,320
because what's the first thing you're

2586
01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:49,920
going to do if you want to put down i

2587
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:51,840
mean look okay here you have these crap

2588
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:54,960
that can fly at light speed or faster

2589
01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:56,639
and you can get anywhere you want to on

2590
01:38:58,790 --> 01:38:57,840
the planet what's the first thing you're

2591
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:58,800
going to do you're going to take out all

2592
01:39:01,669 --> 01:39:00,320
the communication first thing you're

2593
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:01,679
going to do take out all the satellites

2594
01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:03,280
and that'll be like a piece you'd have

2595
01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:05,600
that done in about three seconds and now

2596
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:07,600
we can't talk to each other right now

2597
01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:09,520
our communication is down what's next

2598
01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:10,320
well

2599
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:11,679
i don't know you know take your pick

2600
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:13,280
whatever you want to do you know you're

2601
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:14,880
running the show now so

2602
01:39:18,790 --> 01:39:17,440
would you even have to even go that far

2603
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:18,800
couldn't you just

2604
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:21,760
a virus you could do that yeah i mean i

2605
01:39:26,149 --> 01:39:23,679
mean what's the sense of having if

2606
01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:26,159
you're so far advanced uh you know yeah

2607
01:39:28,950 --> 01:39:27,520
you have to look at the motivation why

2608
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:28,960
would you want to take over a plan like

2609
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:30,560
this for its resources

2610
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:32,000
and if one of the resources is the

2611
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:33,360
people then okay you don't want to kill

2612
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:35,679
them right you want to keep them keep

2613
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:36,880
them working make them slaves whatever

2614
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:37,840
you want to do

2615
01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:40,080
but if you don't like the people if the

2616
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:42,080
people are considered a sort of a bad

2617
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:43,600
virus on the planet you want to get rid

2618
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:45,280
of it or eradicate it yeah you'd unleash

2619
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:47,520
something like ebola

2620
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:50,080
you know zaire uh ladies and gentlemen

2621
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:51,440
what

2622
01:39:56,390 --> 01:39:53,440
flip it around for a second

2623
01:39:58,149 --> 01:39:56,400
we there we're already talking about

2624
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,159
right now that our planet's not going to

2625
01:40:02,790 --> 01:40:00,400
last forever we need to start making

2626
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:02,800
plans yes we know yeah whether we're

2627
01:40:09,590 --> 01:40:05,920
going to mars first or

2628
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:09,600
or someplace else uh you know some muna

2629
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:12,239
and jupiter you know what whatever okay

2630
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:14,880
right um europa

2631
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:18,560
but we're already in that mindset here

2632
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:22,880
okay right now if we needed to go to

2633
01:40:28,070 --> 01:40:25,840
europa but we couldn't because in the

2634
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:28,080
seas of europa underneath that frozen

2635
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:31,199
ice is some crazy thing there not not

2636
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:33,199
not not something that would fight us

2637
01:40:36,629 --> 01:40:34,960
but something that we couldn't live with

2638
01:40:38,149 --> 01:40:36,639
right what are we going to do

2639
01:40:40,470 --> 01:40:38,159
we're going to exterminate we're going

2640
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:40,480
to clean that out so we can eventually

2641
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:41,280
sure

2642
01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:43,760
it's the same thing right

2643
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:46,880
i know that's that's the way we think

2644
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:49,600
right we're looking out for us right now

2645
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,159
if somebody is out there that needs a

2646
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:54,880
place to park their starship

2647
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:57,199
and they've got whoever living out in a

2648
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:00,639
million you know you know some crazy

2649
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:03,440
you know 500 mile long

2650
01:41:07,990 --> 01:41:05,600
starship cruiser that's been flying for

2651
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:08,000
10 000 light years right and they come

2652
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:10,560
across the first planet that's covered

2653
01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:12,000
in water

2654
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:13,920
they're going to fight for it

2655
01:41:19,270 --> 01:41:16,800
do you understand because we would do

2656
01:41:22,149 --> 01:41:19,280
the same thing

2657
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:22,159
yeah that's just the way that we think

2658
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:24,880
we can't even have ants in our house

2659
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:26,080
you know

2660
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:27,760
we exterminate immediately we cannot

2661
01:41:31,430 --> 01:41:29,440
co-habit with that snow

2662
01:41:33,990 --> 01:41:31,440
we can't cohabitate with anything right

2663
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:34,000
you know our house is clean right yeah

2664
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:35,679
right

2665
01:41:39,669 --> 01:41:37,840
my mine isn't really but no yours is

2666
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:39,679
clean

2667
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:41,520
but but uh do you understand what i'm

2668
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:43,280
saying yeah you know we're fighting all

2669
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:45,040
day long with uh

2670
01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:47,360
with mice and and roaches and other

2671
01:41:52,470 --> 01:41:50,159
creatures in our own little habitats but

2672
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:52,480
but but it's the same thing if we need

2673
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:54,400
to go and if we've got something that we

2674
01:41:59,510 --> 01:41:56,800
can't deal with on mars we're gonna

2675
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:59,520
clean house before we go and

2676
01:42:02,070 --> 01:42:01,280
you know get our stakes around sure of

2677
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:02,080
course

2678
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:05,840
world so you have to look at

2679
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:08,080
uh you know um

2680
01:42:11,910 --> 01:42:09,840
if there's one there's millions of

2681
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:11,920
civilizations out there we all evolve in

2682
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:13,520
different ways you know you have

2683
01:42:16,390 --> 01:42:15,600
different different things to evolve you

2684
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:16,400
have

2685
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:18,480
your technology that you can evolve your

2686
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:20,400
your men you know your your mental

2687
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:22,400
abilities you can evolve those and your

2688
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:23,920
spiritual abilities but they all can

2689
01:42:27,270 --> 01:42:25,520
evolve at different rates and different

2690
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:27,280
ways so you're gonna get all kinds of

2691
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:28,480
mixes of

2692
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:30,560
you know one might be a warring race one

2693
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:32,080
might be very intelligent an

2694
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:33,840
intellectual but still a warring race

2695
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:35,760
you know one may have no morals or

2696
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:37,760
seemingly have no morals at all and you

2697
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:39,679
know hey taking out the the indigenous

2698
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:41,440
population is that's there's nothing

2699
01:42:44,870 --> 01:42:42,960
wrong with that that's just what we do

2700
01:42:46,629 --> 01:42:44,880
you know we're here you know this is

2701
01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:46,639
ours now thank you very much right right

2702
01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:48,000
right and on the other hand there may be

2703
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:50,080
we're hoping i'm hoping that there are

2704
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:51,440
others out there that have maybe a

2705
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:52,560
federation or something and they're

2706
01:42:56,149 --> 01:42:54,480
going wait a second we're here to

2707
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:56,159
protect you know maybe a little more

2708
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:57,840
spiritually evolved right

2709
01:43:01,350 --> 01:42:59,360
we're gonna we're gonna protect the

2710
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:01,360
rights of of people who can't protect

2711
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:02,960
themselves or races that can't protect

2712
01:43:06,550 --> 01:43:04,719
themselves and so we're out here kind of

2713
01:43:09,109 --> 01:43:06,560
mining you know monitoring things and

2714
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:09,119
keeping the bad guys from going crazy

2715
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:10,960
right right right so

2716
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:13,119
steve is on his third beer everybody

2717
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:14,880
yeah yeah no but that's what i'm that's

2718
01:43:18,310 --> 01:43:16,400
no i'm that's what we hope that's what

2719
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:18,320
yeah yeah if there's one there's

2720
01:43:21,189 --> 01:43:19,920
millions i mean if you look at the

2721
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:21,199
millions of galaxies millions and

2722
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:22,320
billions of

2723
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:25,520
stars out there you know astronomers now

2724
01:43:29,910 --> 01:43:27,280
it's it's just a given fact that there's

2725
01:43:31,830 --> 01:43:29,920
life elsewhere that you know a decent

2726
01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:31,840
academic astronomer is going to say no

2727
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:33,760
there's life out there that's not even a

2728
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:35,840
question anymore just based on sheer

2729
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:37,040
numbers of plants we've discovered in

2730
01:43:40,870 --> 01:43:39,040
the last three four years

2731
01:43:42,790 --> 01:43:40,880
you know it's it's done it's a done deal

2732
01:43:44,790 --> 01:43:42,800
there's life out there now

2733
01:43:46,709 --> 01:43:44,800
how old is the universe

2734
01:43:48,709 --> 01:43:46,719
13 billion years old or something like

2735
01:43:51,430 --> 01:43:48,719
that right right how old is our how old

2736
01:43:54,149 --> 01:43:51,440
is our civilization or civilization or

2737
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:54,159
earth we'll let lo okay we'll take art

2738
01:43:56,709 --> 01:43:56,000
let's take our civilization when we were

2739
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:56,719
like

2740
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:59,199
from when we weren't a thinking

2741
01:44:03,270 --> 01:44:00,800
civilization when we were just sort of

2742
01:44:06,709 --> 01:44:03,280
animals to when we are now how many how

2743
01:44:08,870 --> 01:44:06,719
many i'm gonna well if we if we go if we

2744
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,880
go with the orthodoxy right if we go

2745
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:10,080
with that

2746
01:44:15,910 --> 01:44:13,199
then it's it's the uh the pyramids

2747
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:15,920
sumerian with the wheel

2748
01:44:19,189 --> 01:44:17,280
so

2749
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:19,199
5 000 years right

2750
01:44:22,870 --> 01:44:20,719
or you know or if you really want to

2751
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:22,880
push it let's let's go to uh becky tepe

2752
01:44:27,910 --> 01:44:25,280
or whatever in turkey right 12 000 years

2753
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:27,920
yeah 12 000. okay so let's say

2754
01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:29,840
shoot let's go 20 000 years give it 20

2755
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:31,679
000 years that we was when civilization

2756
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:33,840
civilization started that's like a drop

2757
01:44:38,790 --> 01:44:36,080
in the bucket compared to the age

2758
01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:38,800
of the of the universe you know and if

2759
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:41,040
one of these civilizations began

2760
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:42,480
evolving

2761
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:44,480
you know shoot two three million years

2762
01:44:48,629 --> 01:44:46,320
ago it doesn't matter right

2763
01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:48,639
which is still nothing yeah or or or

2764
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:50,639
take us and let's say we survive our

2765
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:52,960
evolution technologically we survive our

2766
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:55,040
technological evolution and make it to

2767
01:44:59,990 --> 01:44:58,080
the next level and where will we be in

2768
01:45:01,830 --> 01:45:00,000
a million years what will we be like

2769
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:01,840
what will our technology i mean we're on

2770
01:45:06,070 --> 01:45:04,320
the verge of ai now right and we would

2771
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:06,080
be taking over a planet and

2772
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:08,800
exterminating other species yeah

2773
01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:10,400
that's the way we think

2774
01:45:14,470 --> 01:45:11,920
i don't like it the way it looks cut its

2775
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:14,480
head off seriously that's why we don't

2776
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:16,800
have a problem

2777
01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:18,800
thinking that way right that somebody

2778
01:45:23,830 --> 01:45:21,440
would come here right and you know

2779
01:45:25,990 --> 01:45:23,840
look if somebody

2780
01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:26,000
i really honestly think this is this is

2781
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:27,199
me

2782
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:31,679
and and and

2783
01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:35,280
was beyond exploration

2784
01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:36,400
they wouldn't be here with good

2785
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:37,520
intentions

2786
01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:38,719
i think just

2787
01:45:42,709 --> 01:45:40,560
they wouldn't they're not here to be

2788
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:42,719
anybody's friend right if they were here

2789
01:45:46,709 --> 01:45:44,480
to help us spiritually evolve they'd be

2790
01:45:48,870 --> 01:45:46,719
like holding their hand out you know and

2791
01:45:51,030 --> 01:45:48,880
yes they'd be making themselves known

2792
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:51,040
yes no what's happening at least if you

2793
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:53,360
consider the abduction phenomenon that's

2794
01:45:57,030 --> 01:45:55,520
that's nefarious man that is not right

2795
01:45:58,629 --> 01:45:57,040
that is not cool stuff you don't just

2796
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:58,639
take people out of their houses do what

2797
01:46:01,830 --> 01:46:00,159
you want with them put them back with

2798
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:01,840
their clothes on backwards in the wrong

2799
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:03,760
house and leave them alone and and say

2800
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:05,440
have a nice day you don't do that stuff

2801
01:46:10,629 --> 01:46:08,080
that's not cool that's not cool at all

2802
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:10,639
but that's but that's what people report

2803
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:12,000
over and over and over right and if

2804
01:46:16,470 --> 01:46:14,320
you're an advanced civilization you know

2805
01:46:17,910 --> 01:46:16,480
that that's not cool right you know

2806
01:46:20,070 --> 01:46:17,920
you're smart enough to know you've

2807
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:20,080
really messed with somebody right this

2808
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:22,480
email just come in this is really funny

2809
01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:24,719
i just got to read this it says um i

2810
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:26,320
guess you've got too many listeners

2811
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:27,760
named brad

2812
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:30,719
this is the original brad

2813
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:32,639
i've got all these emails coming in i

2814
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:35,760
had like three or four tonight from brad

2815
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:37,040
and they're all different brands they're

2816
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:39,440
different brads yeah this brag goes dude

2817
01:46:43,990 --> 01:46:41,840
i'm the original hey brad and i know who

2818
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:44,000
you are brad we gotta have a code code

2819
01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:45,760
word

2820
01:46:49,350 --> 01:46:47,520
i should respond to this email so he

2821
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:49,360
responds back correctly there you go so

2822
01:46:52,390 --> 01:46:51,280
i know the original brad

2823
01:46:55,910 --> 01:46:52,400
um

2824
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:55,920
uh okay let's see oh man wow we're

2825
01:46:58,950 --> 01:46:57,760
flying through the time are we what time

2826
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:58,960
yeah yeah yeah so we're looking we're

2827
01:47:01,669 --> 01:47:00,880
looking good yeah yeah we are okay so

2828
01:47:03,350 --> 01:47:01,679
look

2829
01:47:04,709 --> 01:47:03,360
let's get to

2830
01:47:06,470 --> 01:47:04,719
and again you wanted to talk about

2831
01:47:08,709 --> 01:47:06,480
ragnarok um

2832
01:47:10,790 --> 01:47:08,719
ragnarok yeah the end of the uh the end

2833
01:47:12,550 --> 01:47:10,800
of the world man oh let's do that yeah

2834
01:47:13,830 --> 01:47:12,560
you wanna do that and then come the the

2835
01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:13,840
top of the hour or the end of the hour

2836
01:47:18,950 --> 01:47:15,920
what do you wanna do we're gonna do

2837
01:47:21,430 --> 01:47:18,960
let's do it right now let's do

2838
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:21,440
the favorite your favorite ufo incident

2839
01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:23,280
okay it should be turned into a movie

2840
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:25,600
okay all right i have mine

2841
01:47:28,870 --> 01:47:26,480
and

2842
01:47:32,229 --> 01:47:28,880
so i know that you've thought about it

2843
01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:32,239
let me pull mine up you tell me yours

2844
01:47:37,109 --> 01:47:34,000
first okay i'll go with bentwaters i

2845
01:47:39,030 --> 01:47:37,119
think that'd be a cool movie why because

2846
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:39,040
you've got so many witnesses to the

2847
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:42,480
event the actual event okay um december

2848
01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:45,280
what was it 1980

2849
01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:46,880
what was it

2850
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:49,840
now my rental shim rendell from 1980

2851
01:47:54,629 --> 01:47:52,800
yeah december 26 was the first event and

2852
01:47:57,510 --> 01:47:54,639
there were lights you know raf bent

2853
01:48:00,550 --> 01:47:57,520
waters or woodbridge um you know lights

2854
01:48:02,390 --> 01:48:00,560
reported over the field um

2855
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:02,400
charles hall colonel charles halts the

2856
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:03,760
commanding officer at the time i forget

2857
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:05,520
his title anyway they go out and they

2858
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:07,280
investigate this thing they send out

2859
01:48:12,070 --> 01:48:10,000
patrolmen and they actually see a ufo or

2860
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:12,080
a metallic object darting in and out of

2861
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:13,199
the trees

2862
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:16,080
allegedly it lands and this happens uh

2863
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:18,800
on december 26th then again on 28th

2864
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:21,520
um allegedly somebody touched the object

2865
01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:23,360
they got clo they cordoned it they put

2866
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:25,119
lights on it i mean this is a big deal

2867
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:26,960
you know it's happening well you know

2868
01:48:30,550 --> 01:48:28,800
why it could be turned in

2869
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:30,560
and this is why um we got so many

2870
01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:31,520
players so you can have a lot of

2871
01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:33,600
different movies and the whole yeah and

2872
01:48:38,950 --> 01:48:36,400
the setup it's it's christmas parties

2873
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:38,960
going on yeah it's a christmas movie yes

2874
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:41,360
you got that element you know halt gets

2875
01:48:46,229 --> 01:48:43,679
pulled out of the christmas party right

2876
01:48:48,470 --> 01:48:46,239
and it happened again sir yeah you know

2877
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:48,480
so you've got that that whole setup the

2878
01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:51,679
cover-up yeah the crazy the crazy uh you

2879
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:53,840
know air airman who uh starts talking

2880
01:48:57,590 --> 01:48:55,760
about it and you know starts talking

2881
01:48:59,910 --> 01:48:57,600
about how he was debriefed and you know

2882
01:49:01,910 --> 01:48:59,920
he got taken to an underground bunker

2883
01:49:03,990 --> 01:49:01,920
sodium pentathol oh man the whole deal

2884
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:04,000
man that's a that's that could be a cool

2885
01:49:08,229 --> 01:49:05,600
cool movie and you get the ones and

2886
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:08,239
zeroes binary binary download yeah but

2887
01:49:11,510 --> 01:49:10,080
you could go dark with that movie yeah

2888
01:49:13,270 --> 01:49:11,520
yeah i mean because it is kind of a dark

2889
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:13,280
it's got a dark edge to it right right a

2890
01:49:16,709 --> 01:49:15,040
lot of dark elbows not a happy movie no

2891
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:16,719
not really happy and then there's the

2892
01:49:21,189 --> 01:49:18,400
the nuclear element there were nukes on

2893
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:21,199
the base allegedly or no it was the only

2894
01:49:24,550 --> 01:49:22,320
nuclear

2895
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:24,560
uh well hal will never confirm nor deny

2896
01:49:27,189 --> 01:49:26,000
that he will never tell you that there

2897
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:27,199
were nukes on the base while he was

2898
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:28,960
there really yeah he won't say it

2899
01:49:32,629 --> 01:49:30,639
nothing i thought that that was i don't

2900
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:32,639
know it's it's a it's a given right

2901
01:49:35,589 --> 01:49:34,320
right but he doesn't come out he won't

2902
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:35,599
publicly say that

2903
01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:37,440
because he's you know you know that i

2904
01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:40,480
thought that that was our nato nuclear

2905
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:41,679
well

2906
01:49:45,510 --> 01:49:43,360
that's pretty much what's known but like

2907
01:49:47,109 --> 01:49:45,520
if you get halt in uh in a room and he's

2908
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:47,119
talking about this incident he then

2909
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:48,639
people come out and ask him he won't say

2910
01:49:51,910 --> 01:49:51,040
that there were he won't admit it

2911
01:49:53,990 --> 01:49:51,920
huh

2912
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:54,000
i can neither confirm nor deny the

2913
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:56,400
presence of nuclear weapons on my ship

2914
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:58,159
or base or whatever i would think that

2915
01:50:02,149 --> 01:50:00,719
if if hollywood hasn't already signed

2916
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:02,159
you know yeah that's a great move that'd

2917
01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:04,080
be a great move you could have a host of

2918
01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:05,199
stars

2919
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:08,159
a lot of tension a lot of drama uh you

2920
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:10,000
know the abduction

2921
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:11,679
probably happened you know all kinds of

2922
01:50:15,189 --> 01:50:13,679
crazy stuff and then what happens to him

2923
01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:15,199
in the i mean you could follow him into

2924
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:16,639
their lives and see what happens to him

2925
01:50:20,470 --> 01:50:18,719
in the end and make up stuff would be a

2926
01:50:23,189 --> 01:50:20,480
pretty interesting movie okay this is

2927
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:23,199
mine all right let's hear it

2928
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:25,119
what i was hoping for you

2929
01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:29,040
from you was uh something that possibly

2930
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:31,199
everybody has forgotten about okay you

2931
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:32,800
know what i mean yeah that's not an

2932
01:50:36,870 --> 01:50:35,520
obvious one and this one well but ben

2933
01:50:38,229 --> 01:50:36,880
waters would make a great movie i

2934
01:50:40,709 --> 01:50:38,239
understand that's what you think should

2935
01:50:42,149 --> 01:50:40,719
be made into a movie i i understand that

2936
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:42,159
this is mine

2937
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:43,040
and

2938
01:50:46,790 --> 01:50:44,800
it's uh

2939
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:46,800
it's it's a case that

2940
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:49,520
i never hear anybody talk about

2941
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:52,880
it's a case that is um as about as

2942
01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:55,679
fascinating and as detailed and as

2943
01:51:00,149 --> 01:50:58,159
documented as anything else

2944
01:51:01,510 --> 01:51:00,159
but i'm going to mention it to you first

2945
01:51:02,870 --> 01:51:01,520
all right and then tell me if you know

2946
01:51:07,589 --> 01:51:02,880
the case let me hear it let me hear them

2947
01:51:09,510 --> 01:51:07,599
die in a 1957 level in texas case

2948
01:51:11,270 --> 01:51:09,520
exactly

2949
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:11,280
you ready okay

2950
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:12,800
this

2951
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:14,080
is a movie

2952
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:16,719
and i i i just and the case is so

2953
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:19,360
fantastic and so amazing

2954
01:51:24,470 --> 01:51:22,800
that the fact that it it isn't it isn't

2955
01:51:25,910 --> 01:51:24,480
out there like everything else and talk

2956
01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:25,920
about everyone else

2957
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,960
this is what happened all right let me

2958
01:51:32,229 --> 01:51:29,360
hear okay

2959
01:51:34,470 --> 01:51:32,239
november 2nd 1957

2960
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:34,480
one of the most best documented cases

2961
01:51:39,750 --> 01:51:37,199
ufo landings took place in loveland i'm

2962
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:39,760
reading okay so you know so everybody

2963
01:51:44,310 --> 01:51:42,320
just bear with me i could go through no

2964
01:51:46,470 --> 01:51:44,320
no no no i could go through everything

2965
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:46,480
from memory but i'm gonna lose some of

2966
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:48,560
the details so it's just best that that

2967
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:50,639
i do it like this so just everybody just

2968
01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:54,480
just do it dude indulge me okay

2969
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:56,880
took place in level and texas

2970
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:58,960
at the time the city of about 10 the

2971
01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:01,440
city was about 10 000 people the night

2972
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:03,760
would be most um the most unforgettable

2973
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:06,880
experience ever for patrolman aj fowler

2974
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:08,880
so now we've got a named person that

2975
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:10,800
name's ringing a bell come on okay

2976
01:52:14,830 --> 01:52:13,920
who was manning the police phone lines

2977
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:14,840
okay

2978
01:52:23,270 --> 01:52:21,199
calls from anxious citizens remember

2979
01:52:27,030 --> 01:52:23,280
this is all logged

2980
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:27,040
reporting ufos the sightings began at 11

2981
01:52:30,870 --> 01:52:28,080
pm

2982
01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:30,880
some four miles west of town

2983
01:52:37,270 --> 01:52:34,480
pedro saucedo and a friend joe salas

2984
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:37,280
salaz salazy were driving in a pickup

2985
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:39,280
truck and observed a brightly lit

2986
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:41,599
cigar-shaped object heading in their

2987
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:43,520
direction

2988
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:45,440
they reported

2989
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:48,800
that the object was 200 feet long

2990
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:50,880
pedro's truck began to fail the engine

2991
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:52,800
cut out the electrical system went dead

2992
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:53,760
but

2993
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:56,239
the truck was allowed to roll to a stop

2994
01:53:00,070 --> 01:52:57,840
pedro and his friend recalled the

2995
01:53:03,270 --> 01:53:00,080
unknown object as being 200 feet long in

2996
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:03,280
the small town of whiteface he called in

2997
01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:07,199
what he had seen to fowler

2998
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:08,880
who was thinking he was talking to a

2999
01:53:12,550 --> 01:53:10,480
drunk person okay

3000
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:12,560
officer fowler right right he dismissed

3001
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:14,880
the call

3002
01:53:20,310 --> 01:53:18,400
at 11 45 pm that happened at 11 at 11 45

3003
01:53:21,109 --> 01:53:20,320
pm fowler gets his second call of the

3004
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:21,119
night

3005
01:53:25,109 --> 01:53:23,119
now imagine if this is a movie that's

3006
01:53:27,669 --> 01:53:25,119
that's one of your first scenes right

3007
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:27,679
okay and the first phone call

3008
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:29,440
pedro and his buddy

3009
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:31,920
11 45 fowler gets a second phone call of

3010
01:53:34,950 --> 01:53:33,920
the night near the small town of white

3011
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:34,960
horal

3012
01:53:39,910 --> 01:53:37,840
located four miles east of levelin a man

3013
01:53:41,669 --> 01:53:39,920
encountered an egg-shaped object this

3014
01:53:44,470 --> 01:53:41,679
time the object was sitting in the

3015
01:53:46,229 --> 01:53:44,480
middle of the road egg-shaped the object

3016
01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:46,239
was brightly lit the man left his

3017
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:48,320
vehicle watching the object from a safe

3018
01:53:52,629 --> 01:53:50,000
distance shortly

3019
01:53:54,709 --> 01:53:52,639
the ufo raised up off of the ground to

3020
01:53:57,669 --> 01:53:54,719
an altitude of about 200 feet and

3021
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:57,679
disappeared his vehicle had also stalled

3022
01:54:03,910 --> 01:54:01,360
but he restarted after the ufo had left

3023
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:03,920
at 12 o'clock

3024
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:06,000
tell me this wouldn't be a good movie at

3025
01:54:08,790 --> 01:54:07,440
12 o'clock

3026
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:08,800
midnight

3027
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:11,840
the third call comes in a man traveling

3028
01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:14,639
about 11 miles north of level and sees a

3029
01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:17,920
ufo also sitting in the road his vehicle

3030
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:20,560
is disabled he sits for time watching

3031
01:54:24,629 --> 01:54:22,800
the unknown craft before long the silent

3032
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:24,639
object lifts up and disappears into the

3033
01:54:28,709 --> 01:54:26,960
night the man's car immediately fires up

3034
01:54:30,310 --> 01:54:28,719
he drives to the nearest telephone and

3035
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:30,320
calls fowler

3036
01:54:37,669 --> 01:54:32,320
huh

3037
01:54:40,149 --> 01:54:37,679
at 12 10 this is 10 minutes later

3038
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:40,159
a texas tech freshman

3039
01:54:45,589 --> 01:54:42,960
from texas tech his name is newell

3040
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:45,599
wright was driving nine miles east of

3041
01:54:49,669 --> 01:54:48,080
levelin when his engine failed the 19

3042
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:49,679
year old got out of his car popped the

3043
01:54:53,189 --> 01:54:51,040
hood and tried to see if it had an

3044
01:54:56,310 --> 01:54:53,199
electrical problem then he saw an

3045
01:54:59,189 --> 01:54:56,320
unknown object landed on the pavement a

3046
01:55:02,709 --> 01:54:59,199
small piece down the road he estimated

3047
01:55:05,109 --> 01:55:02,719
the object's length to be 125 feet it

3048
01:55:08,870 --> 01:55:05,119
was bluish green in color it soon rose

3049
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:10,070
they're used interesting they're all

3050
01:55:13,109 --> 01:55:11,840
using the roads these things a couple of

3051
01:55:15,109 --> 01:55:13,119
minutes later

3052
01:55:17,750 --> 01:55:15,119
at 12 15 a.m

3053
01:55:19,910 --> 01:55:17,760
five minutes later another driver that

3054
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:19,920
was at 12 10. all these phone calls are

3055
01:55:24,550 --> 01:55:22,080
logged in at the police station okay

3056
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:24,560
that was at 12 10 with the with the the

3057
01:55:29,270 --> 01:55:26,320
texas tech freshman

3058
01:55:31,109 --> 01:55:29,280
12 15 another driver near white horal

3059
01:55:32,629 --> 01:55:31,119
encountered an unknown object in the

3060
01:55:35,589 --> 01:55:32,639
middle of the highway middle of the

3061
01:55:37,589 --> 01:55:35,599
highway again his vehicle also disabled

3062
01:55:39,350 --> 01:55:37,599
like the other drivers after the object

3063
01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:39,360
left

3064
01:55:43,430 --> 01:55:40,800
a call just came in and i missed it

3065
01:55:44,629 --> 01:55:43,440
because i'm facing the wrong direction

3066
01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:44,639
call back

3067
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:46,400
like all the other drivers the object

3068
01:55:51,189 --> 01:55:48,639
left his vehicle returned to normal

3069
01:55:52,709 --> 01:55:51,199
after a fourth call reporting a la

3070
01:55:55,270 --> 01:55:52,719
landed object in the middle of the road

3071
01:55:57,510 --> 01:55:55,280
patrolman fowler began to worry and

3072
01:56:01,350 --> 01:55:57,520
called patrol cars in the leveling area

3073
01:56:03,589 --> 01:56:01,360
to be on the lookout for this object

3074
01:56:05,830 --> 01:56:03,599
at 12 45 am

3075
01:56:08,790 --> 01:56:05,840
fowler received yet another report from

3076
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:08,800
a gen from the general area of saucedo's

3077
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:12,000
initial sighting the first sighting

3078
01:56:16,149 --> 01:56:14,000
this time the driver sees an orange ball

3079
01:56:18,629 --> 01:56:16,159
like object coming toward him he

3080
01:56:20,550 --> 01:56:18,639
reported that the ufo made a soft quiet

3081
01:56:22,790 --> 01:56:20,560
landing on the pavement in the middle of

3082
01:56:24,870 --> 01:56:22,800
the road he also related a strange

3083
01:56:28,550 --> 01:56:24,880
phenomena that the orange color of the

3084
01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:28,560
object changed to a bluish green color

3085
01:56:32,229 --> 01:56:30,560
as it landed on the highway you could

3086
01:56:34,709 --> 01:56:32,239
also estimate the length of the object

3087
01:56:38,629 --> 01:56:34,719
to be about 18 feet as it covered the

3088
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:38,639
entire width of the road

3089
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:41,040
30 minutes later

3090
01:56:47,109 --> 01:56:44,159
another report comes in at 1 15 a.m a

3091
01:56:50,229 --> 01:56:47,119
truck driver from the city of waco texas

3092
01:56:52,790 --> 01:56:50,239
makes the call he test tells fowler that

3093
01:56:55,990 --> 01:56:52,800
driving northeast of leveling he saw a

3094
01:56:57,910 --> 01:56:56,000
large unknown object glowing in the sky

3095
01:56:59,669 --> 01:56:57,920
the man sounded frightened on the phone

3096
01:57:02,470 --> 01:56:59,679
the trucker noted that the object was

3097
01:57:05,030 --> 01:57:02,480
about 200 feet long which agreed with

3098
01:57:07,109 --> 01:57:05,040
the initial salcido reports right the

3099
01:57:09,030 --> 01:57:07,119
man's truck temporarily disabled by the

3100
01:57:11,030 --> 01:57:09,040
object roared back to life when the

3101
01:57:12,470 --> 01:57:11,040
object left the area

3102
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:12,480
that's the weird part about this

3103
01:57:16,070 --> 01:57:13,679
oftentimes the

3104
01:57:18,470 --> 01:57:16,080
the person when the car gets disabled

3105
01:57:20,070 --> 01:57:18,480
the the car fires up on its own like

3106
01:57:22,229 --> 01:57:20,080
they don't reach back to the key and

3107
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:22,239
turn it it just fires up on its own how

3108
01:57:29,669 --> 01:57:25,040
does that work the emf you know is as a

3109
01:57:31,109 --> 01:57:29,679
temporary thing yeah so that's uh so uh

3110
01:57:32,149 --> 01:57:31,119
now

3111
01:57:33,750 --> 01:57:32,159
uh

3112
01:57:35,990 --> 01:57:33,760
engage a starter you know what i mean

3113
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:36,000
let's go back okay now now here we are

3114
01:57:41,510 --> 01:57:39,840
15 minutes later up until 1 30 a.m all

3115
01:57:44,550 --> 01:57:41,520
of the reports received by fowler had

3116
01:57:46,070 --> 01:57:44,560
been buy from civilians okay

3117
01:57:48,470 --> 01:57:46,080
that would change when he received a

3118
01:57:51,430 --> 01:57:48,480
report from two police officers three to

3119
01:57:53,830 --> 01:57:51,440
four miles outside of leveling sheriff

3120
01:57:56,149 --> 01:57:53,840
clem and deputy mccullough testified

3121
01:57:58,229 --> 01:57:56,159
that they observed a large glowing

3122
01:57:59,109 --> 01:57:58,239
object pass across the highway in front

3123
01:58:01,430 --> 01:57:59,119
of them

3124
01:58:03,189 --> 01:58:01,440
they had never seen anything like it

3125
01:58:05,189 --> 01:58:03,199
they had been monitoring fowler's

3126
01:58:07,189 --> 01:58:05,199
reports on the positions of the callers

3127
01:58:09,589 --> 01:58:07,199
tracking the object the officer stated

3128
01:58:12,149 --> 01:58:09,599
that the entire highway was lit up by

3129
01:58:15,430 --> 01:58:12,159
the sun-like object

3130
01:58:17,109 --> 01:58:15,440
sun-like object no less than 15 reports

3131
01:58:18,629 --> 01:58:17,119
for reasons that we will never know for

3132
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:18,639
some two and a half hours on the night

3133
01:58:23,589 --> 01:58:21,360
of november 2nd 1957 the city of level

3134
01:58:24,709 --> 01:58:23,599
in texas was visited by unknown flight

3135
01:58:27,350 --> 01:58:24,719
objects

3136
01:58:28,790 --> 01:58:27,360
that were landing everywhere yeah and

3137
01:58:31,430 --> 01:58:28,800
different looking ones you know

3138
01:58:32,310 --> 01:58:31,440
different sizes shapes appearances ones

3139
01:58:34,790 --> 01:58:32,320
and eggs

3140
01:58:38,790 --> 01:58:34,800
one's a cigar right two two objects

3141
01:58:44,229 --> 01:58:39,910
yeah

3142
01:58:46,550 --> 01:58:44,239
egg shaped documented police officers

3143
01:58:48,470 --> 01:58:46,560
everybody's named um everything is

3144
01:58:49,510 --> 01:58:48,480
logged into the logbook

3145
01:58:51,830 --> 01:58:49,520
and

3146
01:58:53,750 --> 01:58:51,840
i i i can't believe that that's not a

3147
01:58:55,189 --> 01:58:53,760
movie yet to make it a movie you got to

3148
01:58:56,790 --> 01:58:55,199
have some kind of an uh some kind of

3149
01:58:58,390 --> 01:58:56,800
alien animal that got away and they're

3150
01:59:00,229 --> 01:58:58,400
trying to find it

3151
01:59:02,070 --> 01:59:00,239
and it's killing people along the way

3152
01:59:03,510 --> 01:59:02,080
why you got to make jokes man no i'm

3153
01:59:05,270 --> 01:59:03,520
just saying man that's what people want

3154
01:59:06,709 --> 01:59:05,280
to see they want to see they gotta make

3155
01:59:07,430 --> 01:59:06,719
jokes they want to see people get torn

3156
01:59:09,430 --> 01:59:07,440
up

3157
01:59:12,550 --> 01:59:09,440
that's just the way it is in hollywood

3158
01:59:15,109 --> 01:59:12,560
and and this this story

3159
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:15,119
is something that i dug up i i had i had

3160
01:59:18,550 --> 01:59:16,560
read about it years ago that's crazy

3161
01:59:21,189 --> 01:59:18,560
i've never heard that case yet yeah yeah

3162
01:59:24,629 --> 01:59:21,199
never read that case documented huh

3163
01:59:26,229 --> 01:59:24,639
names yeah dates times everything's

3164
01:59:28,229 --> 01:59:26,239
there multiple witnesses multiple

3165
01:59:30,870 --> 01:59:28,239
witnesses no alien beings though just

3166
01:59:33,350 --> 01:59:30,880
the just no beings but all of them the

3167
01:59:36,149 --> 01:59:33,360
uh the engines were just this you know

3168
01:59:37,750 --> 01:59:36,159
disabled you know em yeah the amf and

3169
01:59:40,390 --> 01:59:37,760
just turning them off and

3170
01:59:43,990 --> 01:59:40,400
swamp gas yeah with swamp gas plant but

3171
01:59:45,030 --> 01:59:44,000
i i don't know why um

3172
01:59:46,629 --> 01:59:45,040
when

3173
01:59:49,510 --> 01:59:46,639
i i'm not going to just say names of

3174
01:59:51,430 --> 01:59:49,520
researchers out there but why

3175
01:59:53,350 --> 01:59:51,440
this isn't talked about a bit more and

3176
01:59:55,350 --> 01:59:53,360
why there hasn't been some investigation

3177
01:59:58,310 --> 01:59:55,360
going in why

3178
02:00:01,270 --> 01:59:58,320
when we have uh what we have with

3179
02:00:04,070 --> 02:00:01,280
roswell and kecksburg and you know the

3180
02:00:06,470 --> 02:00:04,080
digging that we have you know gone into

3181
02:00:08,149 --> 02:00:06,480
here is a case right here it's in texas

3182
02:00:09,430 --> 02:00:08,159
it's nineteen fifty seven it's not

3183
02:00:11,589 --> 02:00:09,440
pretty old now

3184
02:00:13,510 --> 02:00:11,599
it's getting old yeah but these

3185
02:00:16,470 --> 02:00:13,520
witnesses are probably still alive

3186
02:00:18,229 --> 02:00:16,480
hopefully yeah and why why haven't these

3187
02:00:20,390 --> 02:00:18,239
guys been where's the follow-up where's

3188
02:00:21,910 --> 02:00:20,400
the follow-up you know and i'm not i'm

3189
02:00:23,990 --> 02:00:21,920
surprised that you don't know about it

3190
02:00:27,510 --> 02:00:24,000
no i don't but where did you read about

3191
02:00:29,830 --> 02:00:27,520
it um i i can't remember the first time

3192
02:00:31,270 --> 02:00:29,840
i had ever seen in various books yeah

3193
02:00:33,750 --> 02:00:31,280
and it was one of those things where i

3194
02:00:36,629 --> 02:00:33,760
went and dug it up a few months ago

3195
02:00:38,629 --> 02:00:36,639
and i tried to find some researchers out

3196
02:00:40,709 --> 02:00:38,639
there to come on the show to talk about

3197
02:00:41,589 --> 02:00:40,719
it i couldn't find anybody

3198
02:00:43,510 --> 02:00:41,599
and

3199
02:00:47,669 --> 02:00:43,520
no there it's not really connected to

3200
02:00:49,669 --> 02:00:47,679
anybody i luckily found this yeah um uh

3201
02:00:52,070 --> 02:00:49,679
shag harbor's another example that's a

3202
02:00:54,149 --> 02:00:52,080
good one well it's been done but yeah

3203
02:00:56,550 --> 02:00:54,159
it's not in a movie though no not in a

3204
02:00:57,669 --> 02:00:56,560
movie and the thing is about uh shag

3205
02:00:58,550 --> 02:00:57,679
harbor

3206
02:01:00,870 --> 02:00:58,560
oh

3207
02:01:03,350 --> 02:01:00,880
it looks like uh our jitter problems

3208
02:01:05,350 --> 02:01:03,360
have been uh solved and everybody's

3209
02:01:06,870 --> 02:01:05,360
happy yeah thank you for sticking with

3210
02:01:09,430 --> 02:01:06,880
us okay so

3211
02:01:11,030 --> 02:01:09,440
um shag harbor

3212
02:01:13,350 --> 02:01:11,040
i i

3213
02:01:14,470 --> 02:01:13,360
made contact with two of the original

3214
02:01:15,990 --> 02:01:14,480
witnesses

3215
02:01:17,350 --> 02:01:16,000
did didn't want to come on the show they

3216
02:01:19,510 --> 02:01:17,360
don't want to talk about it why i guess

3217
02:01:21,109 --> 02:01:19,520
i was able to talk to there's there's

3218
02:01:22,870 --> 02:01:21,119
somebody listening right now that lives

3219
02:01:24,950 --> 02:01:22,880
in shag harbor his name's dave dave how

3220
02:01:26,950 --> 02:01:24,960
you doing there's your shout out dave oh

3221
02:01:28,870 --> 02:01:26,960
by the way um

3222
02:01:30,629 --> 02:01:28,880
uh i've got a friend of mine in holland

3223
02:01:31,589 --> 02:01:30,639
dennis abramson

3224
02:01:33,189 --> 02:01:31,599
uh

3225
02:01:34,390 --> 02:01:33,199
dennis i know you're listening right now

3226
02:01:36,709 --> 02:01:34,400
in bed

3227
02:01:37,669 --> 02:01:36,719
and i hope uh there's your shout out but

3228
02:01:38,790 --> 02:01:37,679
listen

3229
02:01:42,870 --> 02:01:38,800
uh

3230
02:01:44,149 --> 02:01:42,880
at the foot of the bed

3231
02:01:46,070 --> 02:01:44,159
because

3232
02:01:48,149 --> 02:01:46,080
uh that sleep paralysis is behind the

3233
02:01:50,709 --> 02:01:48,159
banging olson you know the

3234
02:01:51,990 --> 02:01:50,719
right behind the bno um

3235
02:01:53,910 --> 02:01:52,000
the uh

3236
02:01:55,510 --> 02:01:53,920
uh one of the one of the fun things i

3237
02:01:59,430 --> 02:01:55,520
used to love to do though and i'm

3238
02:02:02,229 --> 02:01:59,440
serious was listen to art at night and

3239
02:02:04,470 --> 02:02:02,239
one of the and back then i go and listen

3240
02:02:06,550 --> 02:02:04,480
to the shows now

3241
02:02:07,910 --> 02:02:06,560
and they don't have the impact of

3242
02:02:09,430 --> 02:02:07,920
specifically

3243
02:02:15,030 --> 02:02:09,440
hoagland

3244
02:02:17,830 --> 02:02:15,040
the day 96 97

3245
02:02:19,750 --> 02:02:17,840
sedona the cities and the underground

3246
02:02:21,430 --> 02:02:19,760
martian cities he was onto something

3247
02:02:22,229 --> 02:02:21,440
with that stuff

3248
02:02:27,830 --> 02:02:22,239
well

3249
02:02:29,030 --> 02:02:27,840
back then yes he was that's i was right

3250
02:02:33,669 --> 02:02:29,040
with them

3251
02:02:35,990 --> 02:02:33,679
i was looking at all those same pictures

3252
02:02:37,990 --> 02:02:36,000
you know and and it would freak me out

3253
02:02:39,910 --> 02:02:38,000
man i would listen at night and i'd be

3254
02:02:41,750 --> 02:02:39,920
like man look you know

3255
02:02:45,030 --> 02:02:41,760
hoaglan could take you there yeah he

3256
02:02:47,350 --> 02:02:45,040
could he could and our bell

3257
02:02:49,589 --> 02:02:47,360
are towing the rope yeah you know so

3258
02:02:51,189 --> 02:02:49,599
anyway so back to this leveling case

3259
02:02:53,030 --> 02:02:51,199
um

3260
02:02:54,070 --> 02:02:53,040
uh i had uh

3261
02:02:57,270 --> 02:02:54,080
uh

3262
02:02:59,350 --> 02:02:57,280
um oh no shag harbor so i contact

3263
02:03:02,149 --> 02:02:59,360
everybody that i can up in shag harbor

3264
02:03:04,149 --> 02:03:02,159
that but speaking about dave that's what

3265
02:03:06,870 --> 02:03:04,159
sorry for the the left and right turn

3266
02:03:10,070 --> 02:03:06,880
there but uh coming back to it

3267
02:03:12,070 --> 02:03:10,080
um he lives there and he was in the navy

3268
02:03:15,750 --> 02:03:12,080
up in canada for 10 years

3269
02:03:18,629 --> 02:03:15,760
and he did everything he could

3270
02:03:21,030 --> 02:03:18,639
on his own before he met me

3271
02:03:22,390 --> 02:03:21,040
uh to find out about shag harbor and to

3272
02:03:23,189 --> 02:03:22,400
get into it

3273
02:03:25,270 --> 02:03:23,199
and

3274
02:03:27,669 --> 02:03:25,280
got shut down at every turn

3275
02:03:30,950 --> 02:03:27,679
while he was in the navy and so he

3276
02:03:33,350 --> 02:03:30,960
chased down the original guy his name

3277
02:03:34,790 --> 02:03:33,360
escapes me right now that wrote for the

3278
02:03:36,629 --> 02:03:34,800
local paper up there that was on the

3279
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:36,639
scene that was there and saw

3280
02:03:40,870 --> 02:03:38,560
the coast guard out there and saw their

3281
02:03:42,629 --> 02:03:40,880
trivalek efforts that were going on the

3282
02:03:45,510 --> 02:03:42,639
scuba divers going in and out and the

3283
02:03:48,069 --> 02:03:45,520
local witnesses and everything that guy

3284
02:03:49,990 --> 02:03:48,079
so he chased him down and said what have

3285
02:03:51,589 --> 02:03:50,000
you got he said you know what what's out

3286
02:03:54,069 --> 02:03:51,599
there is out there there's there's

3287
02:03:55,430 --> 02:03:54,079
nothing i can say and it's just like the

3288
02:03:57,510 --> 02:03:55,440
whole case

3289
02:03:58,390 --> 02:03:57,520
has been like shut down and forgotten

3290
02:03:59,750 --> 02:03:58,400
about

3291
02:04:01,030 --> 02:03:59,760
and for me

3292
02:04:02,750 --> 02:04:01,040
i think

3293
02:04:05,669 --> 02:04:02,760
the descriptions and the way that

3294
02:04:07,430 --> 02:04:05,679
everybody described it i'm talking about

3295
02:04:09,430 --> 02:04:07,440
the police

3296
02:04:10,910 --> 02:04:09,440
you know the all the witnesses yeah the

3297
02:04:13,830 --> 02:04:10,920
fishermen

3298
02:04:16,229 --> 02:04:13,840
everybody there

3299
02:04:18,069 --> 02:04:16,239
was very cons including the documents

3300
02:04:20,310 --> 02:04:18,079
from the canadian government very

3301
02:04:22,830 --> 02:04:20,320
consistent as to what happened up there

3302
02:04:25,030 --> 02:04:22,840
um and for it to

3303
02:04:27,430 --> 02:04:25,040
have been allowed to have been swept

3304
02:04:29,189 --> 02:04:27,440
under the rug to me is shocking and i

3305
02:04:31,750 --> 02:04:29,199
don't know why

3306
02:04:34,470 --> 02:04:31,760
this isn't a case like

3307
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:34,480
oh like oak island which is a

3308
02:04:39,430 --> 02:04:36,560
fascinating case in itself but that is

3309
02:04:41,669 --> 02:04:39,440
uh that that is legend you know that

3310
02:04:44,229 --> 02:04:41,679
that goes back hundreds of years

3311
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:44,239
this is something that happened in 1968

3312
02:04:48,470 --> 02:04:46,560
1967

3313
02:04:50,229 --> 02:04:48,480
i'm talking about shag harbor and there

3314
02:04:52,790 --> 02:04:50,239
is no reason why

3315
02:04:55,669 --> 02:04:52,800
this shouldn't have uh you know

3316
02:04:58,470 --> 02:04:55,679
diligently been investigated by somebody

3317
02:04:59,430 --> 02:04:58,480
or multiple and it might have been but

3318
02:05:02,069 --> 02:04:59,440
you know we don't have those

3319
02:05:03,430 --> 02:05:02,079
publications remember back in those days

3320
02:05:04,790 --> 02:05:03,440
everything was hard copy you know there

3321
02:05:06,870 --> 02:05:04,800
was no

3322
02:05:08,790 --> 02:05:06,880
you know a lot of stuff just gets lost

3323
02:05:14,950 --> 02:05:08,800
you know it's it's in wendell stevens

3324
02:05:18,069 --> 02:05:16,550
seriously you know a lot of that stuff

3325
02:05:19,910 --> 02:05:18,079
you'll never see anywhere else

3326
02:05:23,189 --> 02:05:19,920
but oh man

3327
02:05:24,870 --> 02:05:23,199
you know uh wendell stevens i i have i

3328
02:05:26,709 --> 02:05:24,880
still have it somewhere downstairs

3329
02:05:29,830 --> 02:05:26,719
packed in a box uh where i have some

3330
02:05:31,109 --> 02:05:29,840
videotapes i have i have wendell stevens

3331
02:05:33,270 --> 02:05:31,119
videotape

3332
02:05:35,189 --> 02:05:33,280
and he goes through

3333
02:05:37,030 --> 02:05:35,199
it was i i remember the first time that

3334
02:05:38,550 --> 02:05:37,040
i saw this this was probably i probably

3335
02:05:40,310 --> 02:05:38,560
bought it at like tower records or

3336
02:05:41,669 --> 02:05:40,320
something okay was it billy meyer what

3337
02:05:44,390 --> 02:05:41,679
was he uh

3338
02:05:45,750 --> 02:05:44,400
no no it was his collection of military

3339
02:05:48,709 --> 02:05:45,760
photographers okay oh he had some

3340
02:05:50,709 --> 02:05:48,719
excellent yeah yeah yeah and so it's him

3341
02:05:53,589 --> 02:05:50,719
sitting there talking

3342
02:05:56,069 --> 02:05:53,599
uh i probably got this in in the early

3343
02:05:59,109 --> 02:05:56,079
90s you know somewhere in there

3344
02:06:00,550 --> 02:05:59,119
paid 69.95 for it or something at tower

3345
02:06:03,030 --> 02:06:00,560
record you know the videotapes were

3346
02:06:05,430 --> 02:06:03,040
expensive yeah yeah yeah and uh but

3347
02:06:08,629 --> 02:06:05,440
anyway it was one of my treasured pieces

3348
02:06:10,629 --> 02:06:08,639
for the longest time yeah and so wendell

3349
02:06:12,629 --> 02:06:10,639
sits there for like 90 minutes 60

3350
02:06:14,470 --> 02:06:12,639
minutes 90 minutes and flashes one

3351
02:06:15,109 --> 02:06:14,480
picture after another up on the screen

3352
02:06:19,990 --> 02:06:15,119
and

3353
02:06:21,830 --> 02:06:20,000
wendell messed me up man

3354
02:06:23,750 --> 02:06:21,840
for a long time why

3355
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:23,760
because

3356
02:06:27,910 --> 02:06:25,760
his gun camera footage real quick yeah

3357
02:06:29,830 --> 02:06:27,920
yeah yeah yeah back then back then it

3358
02:06:31,750 --> 02:06:29,840
was hard to come by yeah you know this

3359
02:06:33,669 --> 02:06:31,760
is before the internet you know this

3360
02:06:35,510 --> 02:06:33,679
yeah yeah yeah you know that's a good

3361
02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:35,520
thing that's the good stuff man the old

3362
02:06:40,310 --> 02:06:37,920
school stuff the good photos that one

3363
02:06:42,470 --> 02:06:40,320
known folks like from the 40s you know

3364
02:06:44,069 --> 02:06:42,480
and our military military photos i

3365
02:06:46,149 --> 02:06:44,079
remember wendell he said one thing that

3366
02:06:48,550 --> 02:06:46,159
just it messed with me

3367
02:06:49,990 --> 02:06:48,560
he goes you know i've got you know i i i

3368
02:06:51,750 --> 02:06:50,000
don't want to i'm going to have to

3369
02:06:54,069 --> 02:06:51,760
paraphrase don't quote me but he says

3370
02:06:55,589 --> 02:06:54,079
something you know i've got 50 000

3371
02:06:58,069 --> 02:06:55,599
photographs

3372
02:06:59,990 --> 02:06:58,079
you know there's something like that and

3373
02:07:02,470 --> 02:07:00,000
and he's just flashing these up one

3374
02:07:05,830 --> 02:07:02,480
after another about pictures i hadn't

3375
02:07:08,390 --> 02:07:05,840
seen before yeah and it really wendell

3376
02:07:10,310 --> 02:07:08,400
messed me up he had he had a huge huge

3377
02:07:12,310 --> 02:07:10,320
probably the biggest large collection of

3378
02:07:13,510 --> 02:07:12,320
ufo books that people knew about there

3379
02:07:14,550 --> 02:07:13,520
might be somebody out there that's got

3380
02:07:16,149 --> 02:07:14,560
more of it

3381
02:07:18,310 --> 02:07:16,159
and when he passed those all went to

3382
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:18,320
open minds radio so they they're kind of

3383
02:07:22,709 --> 02:07:20,480
the the keepers of the books

3384
02:07:24,870 --> 02:07:22,719
did you know i don't know if i told you

3385
02:07:27,510 --> 02:07:24,880
this speaking of that um

3386
02:07:30,550 --> 02:07:27,520
did you know that anne druppel has got

3387
02:07:31,750 --> 02:07:30,560
the rex heflin photographs yeah she has

3388
02:07:34,310 --> 02:07:31,760
the original no i didn't know she had

3389
02:07:36,709 --> 02:07:34,320
the originals rex gave them to her she

3390
02:07:38,229 --> 02:07:36,719
did a lot of research on the heflin

3391
02:07:40,310 --> 02:07:38,239
i don't know if you understood what i

3392
02:07:42,229 --> 02:07:40,320
just no i heard what you said listen to

3393
02:07:44,870 --> 02:07:42,239
the what i just said the the originals

3394
02:07:48,229 --> 02:07:44,880
and the negatives no they're polaroids

3395
02:07:49,109 --> 02:07:48,239
oh [\h__\h] yes excuse my language yeah yes

3396
02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:49,119
oh

3397
02:07:53,510 --> 02:07:51,280
she's on the show whoa

3398
02:07:55,830 --> 02:07:53,520
yeah yeah yeah yeah she's on the show

3399
02:07:57,669 --> 02:07:55,840
and you know how her voice is and she's

3400
02:07:59,510 --> 02:07:57,679
such a sweetheart and

3401
02:08:02,229 --> 02:07:59,520
she's listening right now and i'm sorry

3402
02:08:05,910 --> 02:08:02,239
but i'm going to imitate you she goes

3403
02:08:08,550 --> 02:08:05,920
jimmy you know i've got the original rex

3404
02:08:11,669 --> 02:08:08,560
halflin pictures locked in a box here at

3405
02:08:12,790 --> 02:08:11,679
the house oh my gosh like excuse me and

3406
02:08:13,669 --> 02:08:12,800
and and

3407
02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:13,679
and

3408
02:08:16,310 --> 02:08:15,360
is this thing working what did you just

3409
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:16,320
say

3410
02:08:20,550 --> 02:08:18,320
and she's like yeah yeah yeah he gave

3411
02:08:23,270 --> 02:08:20,560
them to me and jimmy i would love for

3412
02:08:25,430 --> 02:08:23,280
you to come over if you want we can take

3413
02:08:28,069 --> 02:08:25,440
the box out and i can show them to you

3414
02:08:29,510 --> 02:08:28,079
how cool is that how cool is that she

3415
02:08:31,109 --> 02:08:29,520
used to come to our mufon meetings in

3416
02:08:31,990 --> 02:08:31,119
fact she was a board member for a long

3417
02:08:33,750 --> 02:08:32,000
time

3418
02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:33,760
um you know they just got too much too

3419
02:08:37,270 --> 02:08:35,599
much to to come out and do the meetings

3420
02:08:38,870 --> 02:08:37,280
she had other things going on but that

3421
02:08:41,030 --> 02:08:38,880
was one of uh that was one of the best

3422
02:08:44,870 --> 02:08:41,040
shows so this is awesome is that yeah

3423
02:08:46,470 --> 02:08:44,880
well she the thing is um steve

3424
02:08:48,550 --> 02:08:46,480
the thing is

3425
02:08:51,270 --> 02:08:48,560
if somebody didn't know who that was and

3426
02:08:53,350 --> 02:08:51,280
they tuned into this show mid-stream

3427
02:08:55,589 --> 02:08:53,360
and they're listening to me talk to this

3428
02:08:58,149 --> 02:08:55,599
dear you know old lady

3429
02:08:59,510 --> 02:08:58,159
on the uh you know on the show

3430
02:09:02,790 --> 02:08:59,520
they wouldn't

3431
02:09:04,550 --> 02:09:02,800
know what was going on right and and and

3432
02:09:06,149 --> 02:09:04,560
who i was talking to or how important

3433
02:09:09,030 --> 02:09:06,159
that guest was right

3434
02:09:11,030 --> 02:09:09,040
and and so we're doing the show and the

3435
02:09:12,550 --> 02:09:11,040
gas man shows up and they need to turn

3436
02:09:14,950 --> 02:09:12,560
her gas off at the house because there's

3437
02:09:17,270 --> 02:09:14,960
a gas leak oh so i've got and ruffle

3438
02:09:18,709 --> 02:09:17,280
jimmy the gas man's here um can you hold

3439
02:09:20,550 --> 02:09:18,719
on for a second and you're here in the

3440
02:09:23,109 --> 02:09:20,560
background i'm gonna turn off my gas yes

3441
02:09:24,550 --> 02:09:23,119
ma'am we need to okay jimmy i'm back

3442
02:09:26,870 --> 02:09:24,560
it was the coolest interview but if

3443
02:09:28,470 --> 02:09:26,880
somebody's listening you know dialed in

3444
02:09:30,629 --> 02:09:28,480
in the middle of that

3445
02:09:33,109 --> 02:09:30,639
they wouldn't get

3446
02:09:34,629 --> 02:09:33,119
who i was talking to right and and the

3447
02:09:36,870 --> 02:09:34,639
amount of respect that this woman

3448
02:09:38,950 --> 02:09:36,880
deserves right and if i would have been

3449
02:09:41,510 --> 02:09:38,960
talking to let's pull somebody else out

3450
02:09:44,069 --> 02:09:41,520
that's that's 80 years old what if i was

3451
02:09:47,750 --> 02:09:44,079
talking to some who's some queen out

3452
02:09:50,390 --> 02:09:47,760
there uh somebody some somebody about um

3453
02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:50,400
uh betty white anyway yeah yeah okay

3454
02:09:55,430 --> 02:09:52,960
so i got betty white on here and betty

3455
02:09:57,990 --> 02:09:55,440
white is the gas man shows up at her

3456
02:09:59,350 --> 02:09:58,000
house right well go do what you got to

3457
02:10:00,870 --> 02:09:59,360
do betty and you know what this is a

3458
02:10:02,390 --> 02:10:00,880
great radio i'm going to listen to it

3459
02:10:03,589 --> 02:10:02,400
right right and you know what i'm

3460
02:10:06,229 --> 02:10:03,599
honored

3461
02:10:08,390 --> 02:10:06,239
that i'm yeah that that you're taking

3462
02:10:09,990 --> 02:10:08,400
the time with me and you know what if

3463
02:10:11,589 --> 02:10:10,000
you've got to go do something that's

3464
02:10:13,990 --> 02:10:11,599
fine go do it well that's what happened

3465
02:10:17,109 --> 02:10:14,000
with ann and it was one of the coolest

3466
02:10:19,109 --> 02:10:17,119
moments in time and i am so thankful for

3467
02:10:21,189 --> 02:10:19,119
that yeah but i'm sure that there were

3468
02:10:23,350 --> 02:10:21,199
some listeners i came in in the middle

3469
02:10:25,589 --> 02:10:23,360
heard that and then dialed out

3470
02:10:27,830 --> 02:10:25,599
and moved on wondering

3471
02:10:30,390 --> 02:10:27,840
why i would have somebody on the show

3472
02:10:32,470 --> 02:10:30,400
like that and they lost interest and had

3473
02:10:35,030 --> 02:10:32,480
no idea that it was frigging and

3474
02:10:36,470 --> 02:10:35,040
frigging druffle right right you know

3475
02:10:39,189 --> 02:10:36,480
who who

3476
02:10:41,270 --> 02:10:39,199
not only is one of the uh

3477
02:10:43,750 --> 02:10:41,280
most noted researchers

3478
02:10:46,229 --> 02:10:43,760
but somebody that was there from nearly

3479
02:10:49,109 --> 02:10:46,239
the beginning nightcap everything yeah

3480
02:10:51,589 --> 02:10:49,119
you know yeah james mcdonald yeah and

3481
02:10:55,030 --> 02:10:51,599
she is in possession of the most

3482
02:10:58,149 --> 02:10:55,040
treasured ufo photographs of all time

3483
02:11:00,470 --> 02:10:58,159
yeah period yeah you know and locked

3484
02:11:04,310 --> 02:11:00,480
away in our house no i never knew that

3485
02:11:06,069 --> 02:11:04,320
yeah it blew my mind so i was like anne

3486
02:11:10,149 --> 02:11:06,079
you know where do you live jimmy don't

3487
02:11:15,430 --> 02:11:12,550
i was like wow

3488
02:11:17,510 --> 02:11:15,440
so i and this was the funny thing

3489
02:11:18,790 --> 02:11:17,520
i before i knew that

3490
02:11:20,470 --> 02:11:18,800
and for everybody listening right now

3491
02:11:22,870 --> 02:11:20,480
that heard the original show that knows

3492
02:11:25,350 --> 02:11:22,880
what i'm about to say you're gonna laugh

3493
02:11:28,310 --> 02:11:25,360
because this is because this is how i

3494
02:11:29,669 --> 02:11:28,320
got burnt on this i got set up and ann

3495
02:11:32,470 --> 02:11:29,679
knew it

3496
02:11:35,990 --> 02:11:32,480
anna and i had a little argument

3497
02:11:38,790 --> 02:11:36,000
about how many photographs were taken

3498
02:11:41,430 --> 02:11:38,800
and i go and

3499
02:11:43,589 --> 02:11:41,440
there's six she goes jimmy there's four

3500
02:11:45,030 --> 02:11:43,599
i go no no no no no no no there's six

3501
02:11:46,229 --> 02:11:45,040
there's number one two three four five

3502
02:11:47,669 --> 02:11:46,239
six i have them up on the screen jimmy

3503
02:11:50,830 --> 02:11:47,679
there's four

3504
02:11:57,189 --> 02:11:50,840
no and there are six original pic

3505
02:12:02,629 --> 02:12:00,950
it was hilarious she set me up she just

3506
02:12:04,790 --> 02:12:02,639
she knew you know she's smart as a

3507
02:12:06,709 --> 02:12:04,800
creator yeah yeah and it was just

3508
02:12:07,830 --> 02:12:06,719
absolutely hilarious and that's when i

3509
02:12:10,629 --> 02:12:07,840
go what do you mean

3510
02:12:13,750 --> 02:12:10,639
well rex gave them to me and it was just

3511
02:12:15,750 --> 02:12:13,760
absolutely hysterical and and i would

3512
02:12:18,470 --> 02:12:15,760
that that is amazing yeah in that

3513
02:12:20,550 --> 02:12:18,480
interview um she has actually contacted

3514
02:12:22,790 --> 02:12:20,560
me since and she wants to come back and

3515
02:12:23,910 --> 02:12:22,800
pick up where we had left off and and

3516
02:12:25,109 --> 02:12:23,920
she wants to come back on the show i've

3517
02:12:27,990 --> 02:12:25,119
just got to

3518
02:12:29,589 --> 02:12:28,000
uh get get things lined up the sun and

3519
02:12:31,109 --> 02:12:29,599
the moon and the stars to get her back

3520
02:12:33,510 --> 02:12:31,119
on the show but that was

3521
02:12:35,030 --> 02:12:33,520
um out of uh now that we're doing like a

3522
02:12:36,790 --> 02:12:35,040
three-month retrospective all of a

3523
02:12:38,470 --> 02:12:36,800
sudden yeah that that was one of the

3524
02:12:41,350 --> 02:12:38,480
that was one of the highlights that was

3525
02:12:45,030 --> 02:12:41,360
an amazing amazing interview

3526
02:12:46,629 --> 02:12:45,040
and and also to hear her

3527
02:12:47,990 --> 02:12:46,639
um

3528
02:12:49,430 --> 02:12:48,000
emotionally when she talked about

3529
02:12:50,870 --> 02:12:49,440
mcdonald's yeah

3530
02:12:53,430 --> 02:12:50,880
because i

3531
02:12:55,030 --> 02:12:53,440
uh there was a couple of emails that had

3532
02:12:56,310 --> 02:12:55,040
come in uh

3533
02:12:59,030 --> 02:12:56,320
during the show

3534
02:13:01,189 --> 02:12:59,040
that were saying rightly so

3535
02:13:03,990 --> 02:13:01,199
that you could tell that she it was

3536
02:13:06,870 --> 02:13:04,000
stronger than just a worker

3537
02:13:08,390 --> 02:13:06,880
working employee or employee

3538
02:13:10,790 --> 02:13:08,400
situation there there was there were

3539
02:13:12,229 --> 02:13:10,800
some high emotions going yeah yeah and i

3540
02:13:14,069 --> 02:13:12,239
don't know if

3541
02:13:15,990 --> 02:13:14,079
you know i don't know i don't know

3542
02:13:17,990 --> 02:13:16,000
well as evidenced by the book that she

3543
02:13:19,589 --> 02:13:18,000
wrote i mean you know

3544
02:13:21,430 --> 02:13:19,599
you're not just studying a person there

3545
02:13:23,109 --> 02:13:21,440
you're you you've got some emotional

3546
02:13:24,950 --> 02:13:23,119
bond there that you want to you want to

3547
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:24,960
pay honor to that person you know right

3548
02:13:28,310 --> 02:13:26,320
and that's what she did she did it she

3549
02:13:31,430 --> 02:13:28,320
had a great a great book and paid big

3550
02:13:34,390 --> 02:13:31,440
homage to you know a great guy so

3551
02:13:35,830 --> 02:13:34,400
it worked out nice that was good so um

3552
02:13:38,870 --> 02:13:35,840
now that uh

3553
02:13:41,430 --> 02:13:38,880
i've revealed this level in texas thing

3554
02:13:43,990 --> 02:13:41,440
okay the reason why i

3555
02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:44,000
i

3556
02:13:53,510 --> 02:13:51,760
you know so you roll up on the screen uh

3557
02:13:54,790 --> 02:13:53,520
you know based on a true story you know

3558
02:13:56,629 --> 02:13:54,800
that's the first thing that's going to

3559
02:13:57,830 --> 02:13:56,639
hit everybody right and

3560
02:13:59,270 --> 02:13:57,840
and

3561
02:14:00,470 --> 02:13:59,280
it's something that nobody knows

3562
02:14:03,350 --> 02:14:00,480
anything about

3563
02:14:05,669 --> 02:14:03,360
or generally speaking yeah that's what i

3564
02:14:09,589 --> 02:14:05,679
wanted to try to pull out of you so now

3565
02:14:15,030 --> 02:14:12,870
well i mean i don't have any

3566
02:14:16,870 --> 02:14:15,040
cases that that are sort of like that

3567
02:14:18,950 --> 02:14:16,880
that nobody really knows about i mean i

3568
02:14:20,550 --> 02:14:18,960
know most of the regular cases and just

3569
02:14:22,470 --> 02:14:20,560
my own stuff

3570
02:14:24,629 --> 02:14:22,480
what i think would be a cool

3571
02:14:25,990 --> 02:14:24,639
movie would be to

3572
02:14:27,510 --> 02:14:26,000
for someone to take a really hard look

3573
02:14:28,950 --> 02:14:27,520
at all the evidence and everything

3574
02:14:31,270 --> 02:14:28,960
that's happened in the last

3575
02:14:34,149 --> 02:14:31,280
i don't know 800 years

3576
02:14:35,350 --> 02:14:34,159
and meld it together into a reason like

3577
02:14:36,870 --> 02:14:35,360
you know we have all the all this

3578
02:14:38,470 --> 02:14:36,880
visitation we have all this abduction we

3579
02:14:40,229 --> 02:14:38,480
have all these things going on in

3580
02:14:42,550 --> 02:14:40,239
sightings there doesn't seem to be a

3581
02:14:44,550 --> 02:14:42,560
rhyme or reason to it you know what i

3582
02:14:45,669 --> 02:14:44,560
mean right other than are they passing

3583
02:14:47,910 --> 02:14:45,679
tourists

3584
02:14:49,109 --> 02:14:47,920
are these guys trying to create

3585
02:14:52,069 --> 02:14:49,119
a hybrid

3586
02:14:53,510 --> 02:14:52,079
thing that they can put a soul into and

3587
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:53,520
experience

3588
02:14:57,510 --> 02:14:55,840
god with i don't you know no one's ever

3589
02:14:59,589 --> 02:14:57,520
been able to

3590
02:15:01,750 --> 02:14:59,599
adequately explain what's going on and

3591
02:15:03,990 --> 02:15:01,760
meld into a story that makes sense you

3592
02:15:06,229 --> 02:15:04,000
have all these strange things happening

3593
02:15:07,669 --> 02:15:06,239
you know that that to me would be a cool

3594
02:15:09,109 --> 02:15:07,679
a cool movie if you could if you treat

3595
02:15:09,990 --> 02:15:09,119
it with respect

3596
02:15:13,910 --> 02:15:10,000
take

3597
02:15:14,790 --> 02:15:13,920
all in together and make it make sense

3598
02:15:15,910 --> 02:15:14,800
out of it

3599
02:15:18,229 --> 02:15:15,920
and that's what we're trying to do

3600
02:15:20,310 --> 02:15:18,239
that's why we're here when you were when

3601
02:15:23,750 --> 02:15:20,320
you were in the air force uh marine

3602
02:15:29,189 --> 02:15:26,069
uh was there

3603
02:15:32,470 --> 02:15:29,199
was there any protocol for uh an

3604
02:15:33,189 --> 02:15:32,480
encounter not not that we were briefed

3605
02:15:34,149 --> 02:15:33,199
on

3606
02:15:37,030 --> 02:15:34,159
um

3607
02:15:39,109 --> 02:15:37,040
there were there was never i i mean

3608
02:15:41,109 --> 02:15:39,119
no no one said hey if you see a ufo do

3609
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:41,119
this this this and this no there was

3610
02:15:45,189 --> 02:15:43,840
none was there was there any reporting

3611
02:15:47,109 --> 02:15:45,199
methods

3612
02:15:49,270 --> 02:15:47,119
no well did i tell you that story about

3613
02:15:53,189 --> 02:15:49,280
the two guys yeah yeah you did you did

3614
02:15:54,709 --> 02:15:53,199
but um the uh which was a great story

3615
02:15:56,950 --> 02:15:54,719
but but

3616
02:15:58,870 --> 02:15:56,960
i'm saying it you know you're going to

3617
02:16:00,709 --> 02:15:58,880
flight school never never saw in the

3618
02:16:01,910 --> 02:16:00,719
flight manual and it's not in a test

3619
02:16:02,830 --> 02:16:01,920
anywhere

3620
02:16:05,589 --> 02:16:02,840
you

3621
02:16:07,109 --> 02:16:05,599
know multiple question what to do right

3622
02:16:08,470 --> 02:16:07,119
right no like the fire department you

3623
02:16:09,830 --> 02:16:08,480
might find a manual that says this is

3624
02:16:11,510 --> 02:16:09,840
what you do with an alien crap you know

3625
02:16:13,589 --> 02:16:11,520
ufo crash this is what you do this is

3626
02:16:15,510 --> 02:16:13,599
what you don't do no nothing like that

3627
02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:15,520
um you know

3628
02:16:19,510 --> 02:16:16,880
pilots should just just do what they're

3629
02:16:20,870 --> 02:16:19,520
told so you know atc or whoever is going

3630
02:16:21,910 --> 02:16:20,880
to vector you to an object and they're

3631
02:16:23,030 --> 02:16:21,920
going to tell you to check it out and

3632
02:16:23,910 --> 02:16:23,040
you're going to get a visual on it then

3633
02:16:25,109 --> 02:16:23,920
you're going to describe what you see

3634
02:16:26,550 --> 02:16:25,119
and then you're going to

3635
02:16:28,550 --> 02:16:26,560
what do you well you know i was talking

3636
02:16:29,750 --> 02:16:28,560
to kevin randle about this when he was

3637
02:16:30,709 --> 02:16:29,760
on

3638
02:16:33,030 --> 02:16:30,719
and

3639
02:16:34,870 --> 02:16:33,040
i asked him directly because he just you

3640
02:16:35,750 --> 02:16:34,880
know he was just in iraq

3641
02:16:37,830 --> 02:16:35,760
and

3642
02:16:40,870 --> 02:16:37,840
uh

3643
02:16:42,389 --> 02:16:40,880
he's in the national guard

3644
02:16:45,270 --> 02:16:42,399
he's a colonel

3645
02:16:46,870 --> 02:16:45,280
so is there uh is there well in the air

3646
02:16:49,429 --> 02:16:46,880
force i think the air force academy had

3647
02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:49,439
it in their uh original manuals i think

3648
02:16:53,030 --> 02:16:50,719
in some other training there was

3649
02:16:56,230 --> 02:16:53,040
something about ufos but not it not it

3650
02:16:58,709 --> 02:16:56,240
not well randall said that there's no

3651
02:17:01,270 --> 02:16:58,719
there was no chain of command either and

3652
02:17:04,309 --> 02:17:01,280
there was no reference and i said this

3653
02:17:07,349 --> 02:17:04,319
is what was shocking to me

3654
02:17:08,629 --> 02:17:07,359
here he is i think he's in iowa yeah i

3655
02:17:11,030 --> 02:17:08,639
could be wrong but i think it's iowa

3656
02:17:13,349 --> 02:17:11,040
yeah but uh he's in the national guard

3657
02:17:17,030 --> 02:17:13,359
in iowa and he's a colonel

3658
02:17:19,669 --> 02:17:17,040
and so obviously if the governor needs

3659
02:17:22,469 --> 02:17:19,679
to do something some type of emergency

3660
02:17:23,990 --> 02:17:22,479
response with something like that

3661
02:17:27,270 --> 02:17:24,000
is there

3662
02:17:29,349 --> 02:17:27,280
a page somewhere that says okay first

3663
02:17:32,150 --> 02:17:29,359
call this call that call you know this

3664
02:17:34,150 --> 02:17:32,160
this is our procedure in the event that

3665
02:17:35,110 --> 02:17:34,160
some something foreign drops out of the

3666
02:17:37,750 --> 02:17:35,120
sky

3667
02:17:40,549 --> 02:17:37,760
and lands within the state of iowa this

3668
02:17:41,990 --> 02:17:40,559
is what we do he said no there's nothing

3669
02:17:43,110 --> 02:17:42,000
there's nothing he doesn't and i said

3670
02:17:45,990 --> 02:17:43,120
well who

3671
02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:46,000
who would respond and he said i don't

3672
02:17:50,230 --> 02:17:46,880
know

3673
02:17:51,669 --> 02:17:50,240
the national guard well he'd probably be

3674
02:17:53,750 --> 02:17:51,679
back you know like

3675
02:17:55,349 --> 02:17:53,760
it would be like any other kind of um

3676
02:17:57,190 --> 02:17:55,359
you know bear in the air kind of launch

3677
02:17:58,709 --> 02:17:57,200
you know okay there's a target coming

3678
02:17:59,990 --> 02:17:58,719
they won't no one's going to tell you

3679
02:18:01,030 --> 02:18:00,000
it's a ufo they're just going to say we

3680
02:18:02,549 --> 02:18:01,040
got a blip

3681
02:18:05,110 --> 02:18:02,559
it's you know

3682
02:18:06,469 --> 02:18:05,120
500 nautical miles out coming this way

3683
02:18:08,070 --> 02:18:06,479
get your jet you know and everybody

3684
02:18:09,509 --> 02:18:08,080
scramble their jets you know boom boom

3685
02:18:11,750 --> 02:18:09,519
boom launch

3686
02:18:13,750 --> 02:18:11,760
vector to the vector towards the object

3687
02:18:16,150 --> 02:18:13,760
and uh you know

3688
02:18:19,429 --> 02:18:16,160
await further orders if you were uh

3689
02:18:22,830 --> 02:18:19,439
so you're flying you're in your a4 right

3690
02:18:26,150 --> 02:18:22,840
and the tower needs to call you about

3691
02:18:27,669 --> 02:18:26,160
something unidentified is on their radar

3692
02:18:29,589 --> 02:18:27,679
how would that how would they say that

3693
02:18:32,309 --> 02:18:29,599
to you they probably say bogey whatever

3694
02:18:33,990 --> 02:18:32,319
you know vectors this and that um

3695
02:18:36,389 --> 02:18:34,000
this is you know they tell you it's real

3696
02:18:37,990 --> 02:18:36,399
it's not you know this is not a drill

3697
02:18:39,589 --> 02:18:38,000
and then they'd say we want you to do

3698
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:39,599
this you know they we want you to fly

3699
02:18:44,549 --> 02:18:42,000
here or there or whatever once you get

3700
02:18:45,990 --> 02:18:44,559
visual confirmation on it uh and a bogey

3701
02:18:48,629 --> 02:18:46,000
would be anything that's not remember we

3702
02:18:50,790 --> 02:18:48,639
talked about iff right uh and it's not

3703
02:18:52,389 --> 02:18:50,800
it's it's transponder codes not jiben

3704
02:18:54,469 --> 02:18:52,399
with what we're looking for so

3705
02:18:56,070 --> 02:18:54,479
friend or foe it's yeah so it's a foe

3706
02:18:58,070 --> 02:18:56,080
it's a bogey we don't know what it is

3707
02:19:00,389 --> 02:18:58,080
it's bogey it's it's it's on radar but

3708
02:19:02,230 --> 02:19:00,399
it's not it's not blipping uh it's not

3709
02:19:03,830 --> 02:19:02,240
squawking 1200 or whatever the frequency

3710
02:19:05,910 --> 02:19:03,840
is supposed to be you know

3711
02:19:08,389 --> 02:19:05,920
transmitting so it you know they fly out

3712
02:19:10,230 --> 02:19:08,399
and to see what it is and as you get

3713
02:19:12,389 --> 02:19:10,240
closer you get it on radar

3714
02:19:14,309 --> 02:19:12,399
and once you have it acquired now you've

3715
02:19:17,190 --> 02:19:14,319
got maybe maybe you've got a weapons

3716
02:19:18,950 --> 02:19:17,200
lock on or a weapon solution so to speak

3717
02:19:20,150 --> 02:19:18,960
and now you're waiting for the orders

3718
02:19:21,669 --> 02:19:20,160
you know you don't have visual

3719
02:19:23,429 --> 02:19:21,679
confirmation you're getting closer and

3720
02:19:25,030 --> 02:19:23,439
closer what do you want me to do it

3721
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:25,040
sounds to me like you've had this happen

3722
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:27,599
no no but i mean you know we used to

3723
02:19:32,870 --> 02:19:30,319
practice right you know well practice

3724
02:19:34,950 --> 02:19:32,880
against the bogey would be a russian mig

3725
02:19:36,389 --> 02:19:34,960
right that's what i'm saying so did you

3726
02:19:37,509 --> 02:19:36,399
have to fly out and identify the

3727
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:37,519
aircraft

3728
02:19:41,509 --> 02:19:39,200
we never had well

3729
02:19:43,030 --> 02:19:41,519
i never no i never had a drill where

3730
02:19:44,790 --> 02:19:43,040
there was an aircraft actually in the

3731
02:19:46,709 --> 02:19:44,800
air that wasn't squawking the right

3732
02:19:48,950 --> 02:19:46,719
frequency and stuff we went up and

3733
02:19:50,469 --> 02:19:48,960
actually dogfighted each other so we

3734
02:19:52,630 --> 02:19:50,479
knew who we were after we knew where we

3735
02:19:55,349 --> 02:19:52,640
were looking for um

3736
02:19:57,190 --> 02:19:55,359
you know so no but let's say red flag

3737
02:19:58,710 --> 02:19:57,200
you know there that that goes down every

3738
02:20:00,550 --> 02:19:58,720
year or every other year at the in the

3739
02:20:02,469 --> 02:20:00,560
desert there and they do stuff like that

3740
02:20:05,349 --> 02:20:02,479
right you know i've always wondered

3741
02:20:07,270 --> 02:20:05,359
about that and there has to be

3742
02:20:10,630 --> 02:20:07,280
um

3743
02:20:14,830 --> 02:20:10,640
there has to be a page somewhere

3744
02:20:18,469 --> 02:20:14,840
referencing this somehow because

3745
02:20:20,790 --> 02:20:18,479
the there are response teams

3746
02:20:22,870 --> 02:20:20,800
they do exist they exist but they don't

3747
02:20:25,910 --> 02:20:22,880
exist in the normal military they're not

3748
02:20:28,309 --> 02:20:25,920
in the normal for example like a ufo

3749
02:20:30,870 --> 02:20:28,319
response team type thing

3750
02:20:32,070 --> 02:20:30,880
that does exist we think because people

3751
02:20:34,950 --> 02:20:32,080
report them

3752
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:34,960
showing up you know in odd odd places at

3753
02:20:38,630 --> 02:20:36,880
odd times after sighting

3754
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:38,640
black helicopters will have got a lot of

3755
02:20:43,270 --> 02:20:40,800
guys in black outfits jumping out of the

3756
02:20:45,510 --> 02:20:43,280
thing and running around so yeah that

3757
02:20:47,510 --> 02:20:45,520
exists but it's not part of the normal

3758
02:20:49,910 --> 02:20:47,520
military you know it's i guess we'll

3759
02:20:51,830 --> 02:20:49,920
call it paramilitary we'll call it

3760
02:20:53,830 --> 02:20:51,840
the the dark military i don't know what

3761
02:20:56,309 --> 02:20:53,840
you want to call it but uh it's not it's

3762
02:20:57,270 --> 02:20:56,319
not part of normal military life or you

3763
02:20:59,429 --> 02:20:57,280
know i mean

3764
02:21:01,590 --> 02:20:59,439
like i never met a guy what do you do

3765
02:21:03,110 --> 02:21:01,600
for a living oh you know i i go

3766
02:21:04,870 --> 02:21:03,120
investigate ufos that's what i do i

3767
02:21:06,950 --> 02:21:04,880
chase them down you know

3768
02:21:08,790 --> 02:21:06,960
nobody nobody

3769
02:21:10,070 --> 02:21:08,800
i might maybe one of my buddies did that

3770
02:21:11,030 --> 02:21:10,080
and i just didn't know about it you know

3771
02:21:14,389 --> 02:21:11,040
what i mean

3772
02:21:15,750 --> 02:21:14,399
it's just now you had mentioned uh

3773
02:21:17,990 --> 02:21:15,760
and the last time you were on the show

3774
02:21:19,910 --> 02:21:18,000
you told us the story of your

3775
02:21:21,429 --> 02:21:19,920
first sighting yeah the one over

3776
02:21:23,030 --> 02:21:21,439
manhattan beach what was the second

3777
02:21:25,110 --> 02:21:23,040
sighting well the second sighting was

3778
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:25,120
deliberate we all went out to the desert

3779
02:21:27,830 --> 02:21:26,560
i was with

3780
02:21:30,070 --> 02:21:27,840
a bunch of people who were doing a sky

3781
02:21:31,429 --> 02:21:30,080
watch sandra marsh was the leader of

3782
02:21:33,910 --> 02:21:31,439
this thing and sandra marsh was a

3783
02:21:35,190 --> 02:21:33,920
contact each slash abductee type

3784
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:35,200
and oftentimes these people are

3785
02:21:38,469 --> 02:21:36,720
sensitive they have some sort of psychic

3786
02:21:40,469 --> 02:21:38,479
ability i've noticed

3787
02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:40,479
and she seemed to be very tuned in she

3788
02:21:43,990 --> 02:21:41,920
would go out to the desert by herself or

3789
02:21:45,750 --> 02:21:44,000
with somebody else often so she was kind

3790
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:45,760
of she was her own field researcher

3791
02:21:49,429 --> 02:21:47,840
she'd go out there all the time and so

3792
02:21:50,630 --> 02:21:49,439
we're out in joshua tree we're looking

3793
02:21:51,990 --> 02:21:50,640
up at the night sky and we're waiting

3794
02:21:53,429 --> 02:21:52,000
for something to happen and she keeps

3795
02:21:54,790 --> 02:21:53,439
telling us that there's something parked

3796
02:21:56,469 --> 02:21:54,800
and she would point in the direction

3797
02:21:57,670 --> 02:21:56,479
where this thing was parked it's right

3798
02:21:59,110 --> 02:21:57,680
over there it's right over there and

3799
02:22:00,870 --> 02:21:59,120
it's just black sky you know we're

3800
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:00,880
looking up like yeah whatever

3801
02:22:04,790 --> 02:22:03,359
so um roundabout i don't know it was it

3802
02:22:06,309 --> 02:22:04,800
was early morning it was probably two or

3803
02:22:08,070 --> 02:22:06,319
three o'clock in the morning and all how

3804
02:22:10,790 --> 02:22:08,080
many of you were out there probably 20

3805
02:22:12,950 --> 02:22:10,800
people and how long ago was this this is

3806
02:22:15,349 --> 02:22:12,960
probably

3807
02:22:18,230 --> 02:22:15,359
i'll say 2004 or something like that

3808
02:22:20,150 --> 02:22:18,240
okay 2003 2004.

3809
02:22:21,030 --> 02:22:20,160
okay so we're all on this hill it's cold

3810
02:22:22,389 --> 02:22:21,040
you know we're in the middle of the

3811
02:22:23,990 --> 02:22:22,399
desert it's dark

3812
02:22:25,270 --> 02:22:24,000
uh we've all got these lawn chairs you

3813
02:22:26,630 --> 02:22:25,280
know these types of chairs we can lay

3814
02:22:27,990 --> 02:22:26,640
back and look up

3815
02:22:29,190 --> 02:22:28,000
and blankets and all that we're all

3816
02:22:30,469 --> 02:22:29,200
looking up some people are standing some

3817
02:22:32,150 --> 02:22:30,479
people are talking some people are bored

3818
02:22:34,070 --> 02:22:32,160
some people fall asleep

3819
02:22:35,670 --> 02:22:34,080
and this dude's standing next to me he's

3820
02:22:37,349 --> 02:22:35,680
got the one of these little led

3821
02:22:39,670 --> 02:22:37,359
flashlight things

3822
02:22:42,630 --> 02:22:39,680
and he's blinking it at the sky you know

3823
02:22:44,389 --> 02:22:42,640
just randomly and then also he goes whoa

3824
02:22:46,150 --> 02:22:44,399
that one blinked back at me i'm like

3825
02:22:48,070 --> 02:22:46,160
what and i turn and look and he goes

3826
02:22:49,910 --> 02:22:48,080
watch it blink back i go what do you

3827
02:22:51,670 --> 02:22:49,920
mean he goes watch he holds up his

3828
02:22:53,670 --> 02:22:51,680
little light and he goes one two and

3829
02:22:57,990 --> 02:22:53,680
then the star that's sitting there

3830
02:22:59,349 --> 02:22:58,000
goes one two no i swear i go there and

3831
02:23:00,389 --> 02:22:59,359
now everybody it's got everybody's

3832
02:23:02,070 --> 02:23:00,399
attention because i'm making a little

3833
02:23:03,750 --> 02:23:02,080
bit of noise and everybody's like what

3834
02:23:06,230 --> 02:23:03,760
and i go give it three and he goes one

3835
02:23:07,429 --> 02:23:06,240
two three and the thing goes one two

3836
02:23:09,670 --> 02:23:07,439
three

3837
02:23:11,670 --> 02:23:09,680
and then everybody just goes ballistic

3838
02:23:13,750 --> 02:23:11,680
and i'm like what you know everybody's

3839
02:23:14,550 --> 02:23:13,760
like getting you know every now also

3840
02:23:15,830 --> 02:23:14,560
everybody's seeing this thing and

3841
02:23:19,670 --> 02:23:15,840
they're excited and people are making

3842
02:23:21,510 --> 02:23:19,680
noise and this thing after you know

3843
02:23:24,070 --> 02:23:21,520
as we're making that noise well how big

3844
02:23:27,670 --> 02:23:24,080
was it it was a star size or a resort it

3845
02:23:29,830 --> 02:23:27,680
was a star size and it was at a stars

3846
02:23:31,510 --> 02:23:29,840
it seemed to be a star's altitude in

3847
02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:31,520
other words it looked like a normal star

3848
02:23:35,030 --> 02:23:33,200
and it was in the that area where

3849
02:23:36,790 --> 02:23:35,040
saunder was saying this this thing was

3850
02:23:38,150 --> 02:23:36,800
all night right

3851
02:23:39,910 --> 02:23:38,160
so

3852
02:23:40,950 --> 02:23:39,920
as people are getting excited he hit it

3853
02:23:42,710 --> 02:23:40,960
with the three and it came back with a

3854
02:23:45,910 --> 02:23:42,720
three all of a sudden it starts to get

3855
02:23:48,309 --> 02:23:45,920
extremely bright and large okay in other

3856
02:23:50,150 --> 02:23:48,319
words the brightness of it it began it

3857
02:23:52,150 --> 02:23:50,160
looked like it was getting larger it

3858
02:23:53,670 --> 02:23:52,160
looked like it was coming down at us was

3859
02:23:55,030 --> 02:23:53,680
it because you were staring at it too

3860
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:55,040
long or was it

3861
02:23:57,670 --> 02:23:56,160
actually

3862
02:23:58,710 --> 02:23:57,680
this isn't like seconds this is not

3863
02:24:00,230 --> 02:23:58,720
something where we're staring and

3864
02:24:01,590 --> 02:24:00,240
starting this is happening in seconds

3865
02:24:04,070 --> 02:24:01,600
this thing gets bright bright bright

3866
02:24:04,870 --> 02:24:04,080
bright bright in a very white kind of

3867
02:24:06,550 --> 02:24:04,880
light

3868
02:24:09,270 --> 02:24:06,560
and it's getting bigger and everybody's

3869
02:24:11,670 --> 02:24:09,280
getting now scared right and whoa you

3870
02:24:13,110 --> 02:24:11,680
know what do we do now and then as soon

3871
02:24:15,349 --> 02:24:13,120
as everybody kind of got scared and

3872
02:24:17,830 --> 02:24:15,359
excited and screaming the thing went

3873
02:24:20,469 --> 02:24:17,840
back to a little normal dot

3874
02:24:22,870 --> 02:24:20,479
then it moved across the sky anybody

3875
02:24:24,870 --> 02:24:22,880
videotaping no

3876
02:24:26,950 --> 02:24:24,880
so it moves across the sky

3877
02:24:29,030 --> 02:24:26,960
and it must have moved i'll say an arc

3878
02:24:30,790 --> 02:24:29,040
of about

3879
02:24:33,750 --> 02:24:30,800
i don't know maybe 90 degrees okay moved

3880
02:24:36,070 --> 02:24:33,760
across the sky wow and stopped and when

3881
02:24:37,590 --> 02:24:36,080
it stopped it was a perfect formation

3882
02:24:39,270 --> 02:24:37,600
with two others

3883
02:24:40,790 --> 02:24:39,280
of two other stars

3884
02:24:43,670 --> 02:24:40,800
and it still looked like a star again

3885
02:24:46,469 --> 02:24:43,680
and then the three of them rotated

3886
02:24:48,710 --> 02:24:46,479
like in unison all three rotated and

3887
02:24:51,110 --> 02:24:48,720
then just kind of faded out

3888
02:24:53,270 --> 02:24:51,120
like this and that was our siding it

3889
02:24:55,429 --> 02:24:53,280
just faded out

3890
02:24:59,110 --> 02:24:55,439
that's incredible that was wild now

3891
02:25:01,030 --> 02:24:59,120
what's incredible about that is

3892
02:25:01,750 --> 02:25:01,040
saunder marsh called the shot she called

3893
02:25:03,190 --> 02:25:01,760
it

3894
02:25:05,910 --> 02:25:03,200
we went out there to see something we

3895
02:25:07,110 --> 02:25:05,920
actually saw it and it behaved in a way

3896
02:25:09,429 --> 02:25:07,120
that was not

3897
02:25:11,349 --> 02:25:09,439
normal it was not a satellite because

3898
02:25:12,630 --> 02:25:11,359
satellites don't stop change direction

3899
02:25:15,270 --> 02:25:12,640
don't you know i mean

3900
02:25:17,110 --> 02:25:15,280
uh it it got in with two others and did

3901
02:25:18,630 --> 02:25:17,120
this little dance and it was an

3902
02:25:20,150 --> 02:25:18,640
equilateral triangle it wasn't just some

3903
02:25:21,349 --> 02:25:20,160
weird trial it was an equilateral

3904
02:25:24,230 --> 02:25:21,359
triangle

3905
02:25:26,309 --> 02:25:24,240
and uh it was that blew my mind that

3906
02:25:27,830 --> 02:25:26,319
blew my mind so you know once my my

3907
02:25:29,830 --> 02:25:27,840
world was pride open with that first

3908
02:25:31,830 --> 02:25:29,840
sighting right now it was just like

3909
02:25:35,670 --> 02:25:31,840
enlarged again

3910
02:25:37,590 --> 02:25:35,680
and um so that was wild so now now i'm

3911
02:25:39,030 --> 02:25:37,600
real now i'm convinced some people

3912
02:25:40,469 --> 02:25:39,040
missed it because they were too tired

3913
02:25:42,150 --> 02:25:40,479
they went to bed and this and that you

3914
02:25:43,830 --> 02:25:42,160
know they went to sleep they missed the

3915
02:25:45,750 --> 02:25:43,840
thing this happened probably two or

3916
02:25:47,750 --> 02:25:45,760
three o'clock in the morning

3917
02:25:49,429 --> 02:25:47,760
so we planned another one for a few

3918
02:25:51,830 --> 02:25:49,439
months later and we and i convinced my

3919
02:25:53,110 --> 02:25:51,840
wife to go out okay to come out with us

3920
02:25:54,630 --> 02:25:53,120
so we all

3921
02:25:56,230 --> 02:25:54,640
not the same crew but most of the same

3922
02:25:57,670 --> 02:25:56,240
crew we all went out to the same place

3923
02:25:59,510 --> 02:25:57,680
and we're doing the same thing camping

3924
02:26:01,349 --> 02:25:59,520
and having fun and then we're gonna do

3925
02:26:03,670 --> 02:26:01,359
the star watch oh we did that time

3926
02:26:05,910 --> 02:26:03,680
saunder uh saunders brought spoons and

3927
02:26:07,590 --> 02:26:05,920
we were doing um bending of spoons you

3928
02:26:10,070 --> 02:26:07,600
know you know like party party games

3929
02:26:11,349 --> 02:26:10,080
like that you know things

3930
02:26:12,870 --> 02:26:11,359
anyway so we're staying up and it's

3931
02:26:13,750 --> 02:26:12,880
getting later and later and we're trying

3932
02:26:16,469 --> 02:26:13,760
to

3933
02:26:18,630 --> 02:26:16,479
and it's just getting later and later

3934
02:26:20,230 --> 02:26:18,640
it's like three in the morning oh god

3935
02:26:22,550 --> 02:26:20,240
it's not it's just nothing's going on

3936
02:26:24,550 --> 02:26:22,560
right are you using the flashlights

3937
02:26:27,030 --> 02:26:24,560
we're yeah we're trying everything what

3938
02:26:29,349 --> 02:26:27,040
greer does i don't know okay all right i

3939
02:26:31,750 --> 02:26:29,359
don't know you know uh at the end

3940
02:26:35,110 --> 02:26:31,760
we brought lasers with night vision

3941
02:26:36,309 --> 02:26:35,120
okay so we were trying everything right

3942
02:26:37,830 --> 02:26:36,319
and just when i thought it wasn't going

3943
02:26:39,510 --> 02:26:37,840
to happen it was probably about it it

3944
02:26:41,110 --> 02:26:39,520
was still dark but it was about 4 30 my

3945
02:26:42,630 --> 02:26:41,120
wife's up she's you know putting up with

3946
02:26:43,429 --> 02:26:42,640
this stuff

3947
02:26:45,349 --> 02:26:43,439
and

3948
02:26:47,030 --> 02:26:45,359
all of a sudden this light is coming off

3949
02:26:49,429 --> 02:26:47,040
the horizon maybe it's about 20 degrees

3950
02:26:51,830 --> 02:26:49,439
above the horizon and it's coming across

3951
02:26:53,830 --> 02:26:51,840
the sky very linear fashion okay you

3952
02:26:56,230 --> 02:26:53,840
know you can say oh he has a helicopter

3953
02:26:58,150 --> 02:26:56,240
and it gets over here to about midway of

3954
02:26:59,349 --> 02:26:58,160
the sky and stops

3955
02:27:00,790 --> 02:26:59,359
and everybody's looking at it and

3956
02:27:02,469 --> 02:27:00,800
saunders already talking about here

3957
02:27:05,429 --> 02:27:02,479
comes here comes and there it is boom it

3958
02:27:07,190 --> 02:27:05,439
stops and when it stopped it got bright

3959
02:27:09,190 --> 02:27:07,200
again but this time instead of just

3960
02:27:11,670 --> 02:27:09,200
looking like a light it almost looked

3961
02:27:13,190 --> 02:27:11,680
like an eyeball like a like an almond

3962
02:27:15,510 --> 02:27:13,200
shaped eyeball

3963
02:27:17,110 --> 02:27:15,520
and my wife freaked out she screwed you

3964
02:27:18,230 --> 02:27:17,120
know she started screaming steve steve i

3965
02:27:19,590 --> 02:27:18,240
don't like this i don't like this i

3966
02:27:20,790 --> 02:27:19,600
don't like this and she was you know

3967
02:27:22,710 --> 02:27:20,800
holding my hand and stuff and this thing

3968
02:27:24,710 --> 02:27:22,720
got really bright and then it went

3969
02:27:26,950 --> 02:27:24,720
back to its normal self and then just

3970
02:27:28,309 --> 02:27:26,960
kept going and just took off

3971
02:27:30,309 --> 02:27:28,319
did it do

3972
02:27:32,950 --> 02:27:30,319
do it for you do you think it stopped

3973
02:27:35,349 --> 02:27:32,960
for you guys i don't know it

3974
02:27:36,790 --> 02:27:35,359
it felt like it you know oftentimes when

3975
02:27:38,309 --> 02:27:36,800
when we have sightings when when people

3976
02:27:41,030 --> 02:27:38,319
have sightings they feel like it was for

3977
02:27:42,630 --> 02:27:41,040
them and that that was the feeling that

3978
02:27:44,309 --> 02:27:42,640
you got you know i mean like that first

3979
02:27:45,910 --> 02:27:44,319
sighting the second side yeah it was the

3980
02:27:47,910 --> 02:27:45,920
feeling that this is for you this is our

3981
02:27:49,990 --> 02:27:47,920
little show that we're gonna do to let

3982
02:27:51,510 --> 02:27:50,000
you know that you're not bonkers that

3983
02:27:52,550 --> 02:27:51,520
you're not crazy that this actually is

3984
02:27:53,510 --> 02:27:52,560
real

3985
02:27:54,469 --> 02:27:53,520
any

3986
02:27:56,309 --> 02:27:54,479
you know

3987
02:27:58,150 --> 02:27:56,319
joshua tree

3988
02:27:59,830 --> 02:27:58,160
parts of it can be really really really

3989
02:28:02,950 --> 02:27:59,840
really remote

3990
02:28:04,389 --> 02:28:02,960
no airports out there no other highways

3991
02:28:06,309 --> 02:28:04,399
except for the one that you can well

3992
02:28:09,910 --> 02:28:06,319
you're probably seven miles in from the

3993
02:28:11,190 --> 02:28:09,920
highway okay right and um it's and i can

3994
02:28:13,190 --> 02:28:11,200
tell you where it is it's like if you

3995
02:28:16,230 --> 02:28:13,200
take the 10 past palm springs and all

3996
02:28:18,230 --> 02:28:16,240
that right you go past that 29 casino

3997
02:28:19,990 --> 02:28:18,240
and you go another maybe 20 miles or

3998
02:28:22,710 --> 02:28:20,000
less there's a road called and it says

3999
02:28:24,630 --> 02:28:22,720
mecca right yep and you get off on that

4000
02:28:26,630 --> 02:28:24,640
road and you just go in and there's a

4001
02:28:28,950 --> 02:28:26,640
boy scout camp there it's like a co it's

4002
02:28:30,230 --> 02:28:28,960
called cottonwoods cottonwood springs

4003
02:28:32,309 --> 02:28:30,240
campground

4004
02:28:34,469 --> 02:28:32,319
and these days though lately i've gone

4005
02:28:36,630 --> 02:28:34,479
out there a few times since but because

4006
02:28:37,830 --> 02:28:36,640
of all the ambient noise from the town

4007
02:28:40,469 --> 02:28:37,840
because palm springs and all that's

4008
02:28:41,990 --> 02:28:40,479
getting more developed it's less dark so

4009
02:28:43,510 --> 02:28:42,000
it's harder to do night watching and

4010
02:28:45,190 --> 02:28:43,520
skywatching you can still do it but it's

4011
02:28:47,990 --> 02:28:45,200
just not as dramatic as it was back then

4012
02:28:51,429 --> 02:28:48,000
because it's been more developed but uh

4013
02:28:54,790 --> 02:28:51,439
yeah yeah pretty cool huh

4014
02:28:56,550 --> 02:28:54,800
i i i want to

4015
02:28:57,510 --> 02:28:56,560
i want to go out there

4016
02:29:00,230 --> 02:28:57,520
and

4017
02:29:03,429 --> 02:29:00,240
uh president dennett was telling me this

4018
02:29:05,110 --> 02:29:03,439
you know the same type of stories and

4019
02:29:07,750 --> 02:29:05,120
uh

4020
02:29:09,110 --> 02:29:07,760
i want to try to go out and see i mean

4021
02:29:10,309 --> 02:29:09,120
because

4022
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:10,319
and especially here in southern

4023
02:29:15,590 --> 02:29:13,040
california where we have uh different

4024
02:29:17,990 --> 02:29:15,600
places to stargaze yeah you know you got

4025
02:29:19,910 --> 02:29:18,000
the mojave which is it's down the street

4026
02:29:21,270 --> 02:29:19,920
from where we are here it's very very

4027
02:29:35,110 --> 02:29:21,280
close right

4028
02:29:41,110 --> 02:29:36,950
and and available at the heavens for a

4029
02:29:42,790 --> 02:29:41,120
while yeah i've heard the same

4030
02:29:45,349 --> 02:29:42,800
i just want to experience it i've heard

4031
02:29:48,150 --> 02:29:45,359
the same story over and over about

4032
02:29:49,270 --> 02:29:48,160
uh being able to

4033
02:29:50,790 --> 02:29:49,280
uh

4034
02:29:53,429 --> 02:29:50,800
let them know that you're there that you

4035
02:29:54,469 --> 02:29:53,439
that you can uh communicate and and talk

4036
02:29:56,630 --> 02:29:54,479
to them

4037
02:29:58,150 --> 02:29:56,640
i just want to go and try it well you

4038
02:29:59,830 --> 02:29:58,160
know i've been out there many times

4039
02:30:01,670 --> 02:29:59,840
where i've got skunked right probably

4040
02:30:03,349 --> 02:30:01,680
three or four other times when sauna

4041
02:30:05,349 --> 02:30:03,359
marsh was not with me

4042
02:30:06,950 --> 02:30:05,359
and i've been skunked you know nothing

4043
02:30:08,309 --> 02:30:06,960
you just stay up all night your eyes are

4044
02:30:10,469 --> 02:30:08,319
blurry in the morning and you just like

4045
02:30:12,389 --> 02:30:10,479
i didn't see anything you know it was it

4046
02:30:14,150 --> 02:30:12,399
was it was fun you got to see stars i'd

4047
02:30:16,150 --> 02:30:14,160
take a telescope with me and just check

4048
02:30:17,270 --> 02:30:16,160
out the constellations and things but

4049
02:30:18,790 --> 02:30:17,280
um

4050
02:30:20,150 --> 02:30:18,800
i think that i call them strange

4051
02:30:21,590 --> 02:30:20,160
attractors you need to have a few

4052
02:30:23,030 --> 02:30:21,600
strange attractors with you sandra

4053
02:30:25,190 --> 02:30:23,040
marshall was strong

4054
02:30:27,590 --> 02:30:25,200
um that's what preston dennett said too

4055
02:30:29,270 --> 02:30:27,600
yeah did he say that yeah the the first

4056
02:30:31,349 --> 02:30:29,280
time that he

4057
02:30:32,950 --> 02:30:31,359
first or second time that anything ever

4058
02:30:36,469 --> 02:30:32,960
happened to him

4059
02:30:39,270 --> 02:30:36,479
i think he said it was

4060
02:30:41,429 --> 02:30:39,280
and that could be like in santa monica

4061
02:30:43,750 --> 02:30:41,439
like at the beach yeah

4062
02:30:45,750 --> 02:30:43,760
excuse me and they went down

4063
02:30:47,349 --> 02:30:45,760
to the beach a group of people

4064
02:30:49,510 --> 02:30:47,359
and the guy said

4065
02:30:50,950 --> 02:30:49,520
it's right there yeah you know and he

4066
02:30:53,030 --> 02:30:50,960
goes what are you talking about right

4067
02:30:55,910 --> 02:30:53,040
there just keep watching it

4068
02:30:56,950 --> 02:30:55,920
and the star that he was pointing at

4069
02:31:00,550 --> 02:30:56,960
like

4070
02:31:02,550 --> 02:31:00,560
dance and

4071
02:31:05,030 --> 02:31:02,560
and then took off again

4072
02:31:06,230 --> 02:31:05,040
but preston said it was a story

4073
02:31:07,190 --> 02:31:06,240
something like that and preston if

4074
02:31:08,870 --> 02:31:07,200
you're listening right now i got it

4075
02:31:12,389 --> 02:31:08,880
wrong i'm sorry but but it was something

4076
02:31:14,630 --> 02:31:12,399
very similar to that the second time

4077
02:31:15,990 --> 02:31:14,640
or the second or third time he was with

4078
02:31:19,750 --> 02:31:16,000
a lady

4079
02:31:22,630 --> 02:31:19,760
a woman that took him out off of the 210

4080
02:31:24,389 --> 02:31:22,640
freeway okay um

4081
02:31:27,190 --> 02:31:24,399
la canada area

4082
02:31:28,710 --> 02:31:27,200
uh not quite into pasadena but in in

4083
02:31:29,990 --> 02:31:28,720
that area

4084
02:31:31,990 --> 02:31:30,000
pulled off

4085
02:31:35,830 --> 02:31:32,000
went up a hill

4086
02:31:36,870 --> 02:31:35,840
um and this was 20 years ago so it might

4087
02:31:38,150 --> 02:31:36,880
have been a little bit different back

4088
02:31:41,110 --> 02:31:38,160
then but anyway

4089
02:31:42,309 --> 02:31:41,120
up onto a hill and he said they were why

4090
02:31:44,230 --> 02:31:42,319
they walked around the corner and she

4091
02:31:46,469 --> 02:31:44,240
said okay it's here it's here it's here

4092
02:31:48,389 --> 02:31:46,479
walked around the corner and there was

4093
02:31:49,349 --> 02:31:48,399
sitting in this field again a glowing

4094
02:31:51,429 --> 02:31:49,359
ball

4095
02:31:52,309 --> 02:31:51,439
that had come down and then vanished

4096
02:31:53,590 --> 02:31:52,319
again

4097
02:31:57,510 --> 02:31:53,600
became a star

4098
02:31:59,750 --> 02:31:57,520
and so but again it was her

4099
02:32:01,910 --> 02:31:59,760
right and you know right right right

4100
02:32:03,830 --> 02:32:01,920
right and i don't know what that is i

4101
02:32:06,469 --> 02:32:03,840
don't know how it works

4102
02:32:08,710 --> 02:32:06,479
um obviously telepathy involved and some

4103
02:32:10,309 --> 02:32:08,720
sort of attraction some sort of uh

4104
02:32:12,469 --> 02:32:10,319
signature some sort of connection that

4105
02:32:14,230 --> 02:32:12,479
these people have with those things and

4106
02:32:15,990 --> 02:32:14,240
it happens man i don't know how well you

4107
02:32:17,270 --> 02:32:16,000
know i've seen a couple of videotapes of

4108
02:32:18,870 --> 02:32:17,280
you know i don't want to name names but

4109
02:32:21,349 --> 02:32:18,880
i've seen some videotapes of some guys

4110
02:32:23,270 --> 02:32:21,359
out in the desert with their mag lights

4111
02:32:24,870 --> 02:32:23,280
uh-huh you know

4112
02:32:26,389 --> 02:32:24,880
right you know yeah that's awesome you

4113
02:32:28,389 --> 02:32:26,399
don't even need a mag light you don't i

4114
02:32:30,070 --> 02:32:28,399
mean the little led thing that you get

4115
02:32:31,750 --> 02:32:30,080
on the keychain is fine

4116
02:32:34,150 --> 02:32:31,760
you know what i mean just like that yeah

4117
02:32:35,429 --> 02:32:34,160
see i'm prepared yeah yeah you don't

4118
02:32:37,429 --> 02:32:35,439
even need it to be that bright you know

4119
02:32:39,190 --> 02:32:37,439
what i mean really yeah it's just that

4120
02:32:41,030 --> 02:32:39,200
little the little dealy bob that you get

4121
02:32:42,790 --> 02:32:41,040
at rei it's it's about you know it's

4122
02:32:45,510 --> 02:32:42,800
just a little led light i bought this in

4123
02:32:48,630 --> 02:32:45,520
my ufo attractor kit oh okay well that's

4124
02:32:51,670 --> 02:32:48,640
probably good then okay

4125
02:32:53,590 --> 02:32:51,680
but uh yeah yeah yeah now i i have had

4126
02:32:55,590 --> 02:32:53,600
my own sightings like i remember now

4127
02:32:58,389 --> 02:32:55,600
you're getting me to remember

4128
02:33:00,630 --> 02:32:58,399
i was at a um i was in tj in tijuana we

4129
02:33:02,070 --> 02:33:00,640
were doing a build i'm a member rotary

4130
02:33:03,750 --> 02:33:02,080
okay so we're down there we're building

4131
02:33:05,349 --> 02:33:03,760
a house for somebody

4132
02:33:07,030 --> 02:33:05,359
and i was talking to a buddy of mine

4133
02:33:09,110 --> 02:33:07,040
about ufos he's making fun of me and

4134
02:33:10,070 --> 02:33:09,120
stuff he's close friend anyway so we're

4135
02:33:12,630 --> 02:33:10,080
hanging

4136
02:33:15,270 --> 02:33:12,640
siding on the on the side of this house

4137
02:33:17,110 --> 02:33:15,280
and he's up on the roof and he's nailing

4138
02:33:18,710 --> 02:33:17,120
and i'm holding the siding up right and

4139
02:33:20,630 --> 02:33:18,720
so i'm looking up at the blue that the

4140
02:33:22,870 --> 02:33:20,640
big blue sky and some clouds

4141
02:33:25,030 --> 02:33:22,880
and as i'm looking up past him

4142
02:33:26,630 --> 02:33:25,040
these two little balls little they look

4143
02:33:28,630 --> 02:33:26,640
like little white pills

4144
02:33:29,670 --> 02:33:28,640
go flying through the sky through in and

4145
02:33:31,190 --> 02:33:29,680
out of the clouds and they're like

4146
02:33:33,590 --> 02:33:31,200
they're like dancing with like dogs

4147
02:33:34,630 --> 02:33:33,600
would play in the grass that's what

4148
02:33:36,870 --> 02:33:34,640
these things were doing they were

4149
02:33:38,309 --> 02:33:36,880
dancing with one another and i it

4150
02:33:40,309 --> 02:33:38,319
happened so quickly and i was

4151
02:33:41,830 --> 02:33:40,319
dumbfounded you know i didn't even like

4152
02:33:43,030 --> 02:33:41,840
think to say turn around look you know i

4153
02:33:44,950 --> 02:33:43,040
mean i just

4154
02:33:47,270 --> 02:33:44,960
right right staring at this and by the

4155
02:33:48,550 --> 02:33:47,280
time i thought tell your buddy you know

4156
02:33:49,670 --> 02:33:48,560
these things were into a cloud and they

4157
02:33:51,510 --> 02:33:49,680
were gone

4158
02:33:52,710 --> 02:33:51,520
and but it was that was a pretty cool

4159
02:33:54,550 --> 02:33:52,720
one because they actually looked like

4160
02:33:56,389 --> 02:33:54,560
they were having fun they were like

4161
02:33:58,070 --> 02:33:56,399
doing spy one was doing a spiral the

4162
02:34:00,710 --> 02:33:58,080
other was chasing it and there were

4163
02:34:02,230 --> 02:34:00,720
little round white pills if you will i

4164
02:34:03,510 --> 02:34:02,240
don't know and how big do you think they

4165
02:34:04,710 --> 02:34:03,520
were i know

4166
02:34:06,550 --> 02:34:04,720
i have no idea because i don't know what

4167
02:34:07,990 --> 02:34:06,560
the cloud altitude was but they weren't

4168
02:34:09,349 --> 02:34:08,000
they didn't appear to be big you know

4169
02:34:11,030 --> 02:34:09,359
what i mean and you know somebody

4170
02:34:13,190 --> 02:34:11,040
listening to god they're just balloons

4171
02:34:15,830 --> 02:34:13,200
you know no these things were moving in

4172
02:34:17,110 --> 02:34:15,840
a linear trajectory with speed and one

4173
02:34:18,550 --> 02:34:17,120
you know they were moving around one

4174
02:34:20,550 --> 02:34:18,560
another as they were doing this sort of

4175
02:34:23,750 --> 02:34:20,560
like dog fighting or something wow

4176
02:34:25,510 --> 02:34:23,760
pretty cool yeah um we'll only have a a

4177
02:34:27,510 --> 02:34:25,520
few minutes left here so i'm i'm going

4178
02:34:29,429 --> 02:34:27,520
to ask you some other stuff first off i

4179
02:34:31,830 --> 02:34:29,439
want to talk to you about mopars and

4180
02:34:32,630 --> 02:34:31,840
mufon okay and

4181
02:34:34,389 --> 02:34:32,640
uh

4182
02:34:35,510 --> 02:34:34,399
you know any relationship with mufon in

4183
02:34:37,670 --> 02:34:35,520
this show has been blown out of the

4184
02:34:38,710 --> 02:34:37,680
water a long time ago so you know

4185
02:34:40,710 --> 02:34:38,720
whatever

4186
02:34:42,309 --> 02:34:40,720
but um

4187
02:34:45,830 --> 02:34:42,319
what

4188
02:34:48,150 --> 02:34:45,840
you've got uh coming up next over at you

4189
02:34:49,110 --> 02:34:48,160
bars cool but

4190
02:34:50,870 --> 02:34:49,120
what

4191
02:34:54,150 --> 02:34:50,880
happened

4192
02:34:55,429 --> 02:34:54,160
with mufon

4193
02:34:57,110 --> 02:34:55,439
because

4194
02:34:58,630 --> 02:34:57,120
um

4195
02:35:00,630 --> 02:34:58,640
one of the things

4196
02:35:02,710 --> 02:35:00,640
i mean i've known you for

4197
02:35:03,670 --> 02:35:02,720
you know maybe five years yeah

4198
02:35:06,389 --> 02:35:03,680
um

4199
02:35:08,469 --> 02:35:06,399
and i've seen you

4200
02:35:10,550 --> 02:35:08,479
on tv

4201
02:35:11,830 --> 02:35:10,560
where very proudly at the bottom of the

4202
02:35:13,990 --> 02:35:11,840
screen you know steve marillo you know

4203
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:14,000
director of mufon right los angeles you

4204
02:35:18,950 --> 02:35:16,080
know right and and

4205
02:35:21,590 --> 02:35:18,960
uh that's a you know it's a 13 years

4206
02:35:23,990 --> 02:35:21,600
it's a proud i i you know you were that

4207
02:35:28,070 --> 02:35:24,000
guy it's a good run it was a great great

4208
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:28,080
run yeah what i mean it it seemed abrupt

4209
02:35:34,070 --> 02:35:30,960
it seemed quick yep

4210
02:35:35,429 --> 02:35:34,080
and i i just have to i i don't think i

4211
02:35:37,190 --> 02:35:35,439
was so direct the last time you were on

4212
02:35:39,030 --> 02:35:37,200
the show in fact i wanted to shy away

4213
02:35:42,389 --> 02:35:39,040
from the subject but yeah that's cool

4214
02:35:44,389 --> 02:35:42,399
yeah no problem talking about it um

4215
02:35:46,870 --> 02:35:44,399
you know

4216
02:35:49,190 --> 02:35:46,880
the the the my boss

4217
02:35:50,070 --> 02:35:49,200
um she kind of got a little bit out of

4218
02:35:53,590 --> 02:35:50,080
hand

4219
02:35:54,870 --> 02:35:53,600
the 13 years right and so we were

4220
02:35:56,389 --> 02:35:54,880
running the show and she was letting us

4221
02:35:57,910 --> 02:35:56,399
do what we had to do

4222
02:35:59,429 --> 02:35:57,920
then she all of a sudden started getting

4223
02:36:01,349 --> 02:35:59,439
involved with the the field

4224
02:36:03,030 --> 02:36:01,359
investigators and we had just recruited

4225
02:36:04,389 --> 02:36:03,040
and trained three new ones because we

4226
02:36:05,750 --> 02:36:04,399
were getting a case load we were getting

4227
02:36:07,110 --> 02:36:05,760
a lot of cases

4228
02:36:08,469 --> 02:36:07,120
you know we go through these waves where

4229
02:36:09,910 --> 02:36:08,479
else and there's a lot of cases and you

4230
02:36:11,270 --> 02:36:09,920
can't deal with them so we trained some

4231
02:36:12,550 --> 02:36:11,280
people that were very interested in

4232
02:36:14,630 --> 02:36:12,560
helping out

4233
02:36:16,230 --> 02:36:14,640
and they were starting to investigate

4234
02:36:18,230 --> 02:36:16,240
and all that and she started emailing

4235
02:36:20,710 --> 02:36:18,240
them randomly and like without any kind

4236
02:36:22,950 --> 02:36:20,720
of notice to us or any cc or

4237
02:36:25,510 --> 02:36:22,960
anything she would call them email them

4238
02:36:27,030 --> 02:36:25,520
and start sort of harassing them

4239
02:36:27,990 --> 02:36:27,040
and um

4240
02:36:29,670 --> 02:36:28,000
i was getting you know they would

4241
02:36:31,270 --> 02:36:29,680
forward the emails to me what does this

4242
02:36:33,190 --> 02:36:31,280
woman want i don't understand why i'm

4243
02:36:35,190 --> 02:36:33,200
getting this maybe she had never met

4244
02:36:36,550 --> 02:36:35,200
them never met him okay and didn't you

4245
02:36:38,070 --> 02:36:36,560
know and

4246
02:36:39,190 --> 02:36:38,080
the emails were strange i mean i don't

4247
02:36:41,349 --> 02:36:39,200
know how to describe it either other

4248
02:36:43,510 --> 02:36:41,359
than some of it didn't make sense it was

4249
02:36:45,349 --> 02:36:43,520
almost like rant like i mean i can't

4250
02:36:47,510 --> 02:36:45,359
really describe it but something was off

4251
02:36:49,270 --> 02:36:47,520
about these communications

4252
02:36:51,590 --> 02:36:49,280
and um

4253
02:36:53,110 --> 02:36:51,600
so at the time alex mastrata he was my

4254
02:36:55,110 --> 02:36:53,120
director of field investigation says

4255
02:36:56,469 --> 02:36:55,120
he's in charge of these people

4256
02:36:58,950 --> 02:36:56,479
and he

4257
02:37:00,389 --> 02:36:58,960
challenged uh this person this this gal

4258
02:37:01,910 --> 02:37:00,399
that was my boss

4259
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:01,920
uh i'll say her name george anderson

4260
02:37:05,590 --> 02:37:03,280
ferrelli

4261
02:37:07,349 --> 02:37:05,600
and um said hey what's going on why are

4262
02:37:08,230 --> 02:37:07,359
you doing this you know blah blah blah

4263
02:37:10,230 --> 02:37:08,240
and

4264
02:37:13,510 --> 02:37:10,240
she started they got they got into a

4265
02:37:16,469 --> 02:37:13,520
confrontation okay over email

4266
02:37:17,349 --> 02:37:16,479
and um the the upshot of that was she

4267
02:37:23,830 --> 02:37:17,359
had

4268
02:37:26,309 --> 02:37:23,840
at mufon la without any notice to me or

4269
02:37:28,309 --> 02:37:26,319
email or hey this is what's going on or

4270
02:37:30,550 --> 02:37:28,319
this is what i'm going to do no no no

4271
02:37:32,309 --> 02:37:30,560
kind of well for 13 years was that the

4272
02:37:34,230 --> 02:37:32,319
first time that that had happened yeah

4273
02:37:35,590 --> 02:37:34,240
okay yeah yeah she was hands off i mean

4274
02:37:37,510 --> 02:37:35,600
we'd invite her to meet she never came

4275
02:37:38,950 --> 02:37:37,520
to a meeting right i mean the first time

4276
02:37:41,110 --> 02:37:38,960
she showed up to a meeting was uh

4277
02:37:45,030 --> 02:37:41,120
probably one of the last top meetings i

4278
02:37:47,910 --> 02:37:45,040
had before you know my expulsion okay so

4279
02:37:50,550 --> 02:37:47,920
okay so and oh she brought me a bottle

4280
02:37:52,870 --> 02:37:50,560
of vodka that was nice okay yeah yeah

4281
02:37:54,230 --> 02:37:52,880
good vodka good yeah it was good it was

4282
02:37:56,950 --> 02:37:54,240
i think it was a really nice bottle

4283
02:37:59,510 --> 02:37:56,960
actually okay so um anyway so

4284
02:38:01,110 --> 02:37:59,520
she gets alex like transferred she

4285
02:38:02,790 --> 02:38:01,120
wanted to fire him and just outright

4286
02:38:05,510 --> 02:38:02,800
fire him but how can you fire a

4287
02:38:07,990 --> 02:38:05,520
volunteer exactly but um

4288
02:38:10,950 --> 02:38:08,000
she wanted to get rid of him and and but

4289
02:38:13,429 --> 02:38:10,960
he had his hands he was helping the star

4290
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:13,439
team of mufon do some investigations he

4291
02:38:16,870 --> 02:38:15,280
speaks french and they had some french

4292
02:38:18,950 --> 02:38:16,880
documents he needed to translate blah

4293
02:38:21,030 --> 02:38:18,960
blah blah so they they needed him so

4294
02:38:23,110 --> 02:38:21,040
they said hey what rather than fire him

4295
02:38:25,910 --> 02:38:23,120
have him transferred to ruben or yard or

4296
02:38:27,349 --> 02:38:25,920
yarty who's the northern california guy

4297
02:38:29,750 --> 02:38:27,359
so they did they transferred him and he

4298
02:38:31,349 --> 02:38:29,760
was now working for reuben not for me so

4299
02:38:33,110 --> 02:38:31,359
i'm missing my director of field

4300
02:38:34,230 --> 02:38:33,120
investigations and i've got three

4301
02:38:35,110 --> 02:38:34,240
newbies who know what the hell they're

4302
02:38:36,870 --> 02:38:35,120
doing

4303
02:38:38,630 --> 02:38:36,880
and they all quit

4304
02:38:41,510 --> 02:38:38,640
so now i lost basically all my field

4305
02:38:43,990 --> 02:38:41,520
investigators so this is now approaching

4306
02:38:45,910 --> 02:38:44,000
may of last year and i'm like now what

4307
02:38:47,670 --> 02:38:45,920
do i do

4308
02:38:49,910 --> 02:38:47,680
so jan harzan i knew was going to be

4309
02:38:52,389 --> 02:38:49,920
taking over he's the mufon oc he was my

4310
02:38:54,710 --> 02:38:52,399
contemporary mufon orange county okay

4311
02:38:57,030 --> 02:38:54,720
so i knew he'd be taken over in

4312
02:38:59,030 --> 02:38:57,040
roundabout august so i said i could

4313
02:39:01,670 --> 02:38:59,040
probably stick it out until august okay

4314
02:39:02,469 --> 02:39:01,680
so i called jen i said hey

4315
02:39:06,230 --> 02:39:02,479
if

4316
02:39:07,830 --> 02:39:06,240
international

4317
02:39:09,510 --> 02:39:07,840
is george ann cifarelli still going to

4318
02:39:12,309 --> 02:39:09,520
be my boss

4319
02:39:13,990 --> 02:39:12,319
you know and he said i see no reason why

4320
02:39:15,349 --> 02:39:14,000
i should change her yeah she's still

4321
02:39:16,230 --> 02:39:15,359
gonna be your boss i said well in that

4322
02:39:17,270 --> 02:39:16,240
case

4323
02:39:23,429 --> 02:39:17,280
i'm out

4324
02:39:25,110 --> 02:39:23,439
letter maybe about an email letter about

4325
02:39:26,630 --> 02:39:25,120
a week later saying cease and desist

4326
02:39:28,469 --> 02:39:26,640
you're no longer the director blah blah

4327
02:39:31,110 --> 02:39:28,479
blah that came from jan

4328
02:39:32,550 --> 02:39:31,120
at the bequest of georgie

4329
02:39:34,309 --> 02:39:32,560
yeah because general because jan was

4330
02:39:36,710 --> 02:39:34,319
still working for georgie at the time

4331
02:39:38,950 --> 02:39:36,720
that's how that all went down

4332
02:39:41,270 --> 02:39:38,960
what was the reason

4333
02:39:42,870 --> 02:39:41,280
just because uh there's no no good

4334
02:39:44,950 --> 02:39:42,880
reason you know i just yeah because i i

4335
02:39:46,950 --> 02:39:44,960
don't feel a reason i don't hear a

4336
02:39:48,710 --> 02:39:46,960
reason it was just challenging her

4337
02:39:51,190 --> 02:39:48,720
authority that's all just challenging

4338
02:39:53,830 --> 02:39:51,200
her authority and yeah but there was no

4339
02:39:55,990 --> 02:39:53,840
good reason for all of the harassment i

4340
02:39:58,309 --> 02:39:56,000
you know i don't know i don't know

4341
02:40:00,070 --> 02:39:58,319
but uh it was interesting a lot of

4342
02:40:01,270 --> 02:40:00,080
coincidences that happened uh shortly

4343
02:40:03,910 --> 02:40:01,280
thereafter

4344
02:40:08,070 --> 02:40:05,349
well how did the

4345
02:40:09,990 --> 02:40:08,080
how did the idea for you pars

4346
02:40:11,910 --> 02:40:10,000
okay okay so after that

4347
02:40:13,190 --> 02:40:11,920
okay i saw i had a i called a board

4348
02:40:14,870 --> 02:40:13,200
meeting right after that after well let

4349
02:40:17,190 --> 02:40:14,880
me stop and explain to everybody real

4350
02:40:19,269 --> 02:40:17,200
quick you have mufon and then steve's

4351
02:40:21,830 --> 02:40:19,279
that he was director of mufon la which

4352
02:40:24,710 --> 02:40:21,840
was the largest

4353
02:40:26,950 --> 02:40:24,720
branch of mufon in the world right how

4354
02:40:28,230 --> 02:40:26,960
many members is pretty big you know i

4355
02:40:29,830 --> 02:40:28,240
don't know hundreds

4356
02:40:31,750 --> 02:40:29,840
hundreds yeah

4357
02:40:35,269 --> 02:40:31,760
and u pars

4358
02:40:36,550 --> 02:40:35,279
is steve's new organization right stands

4359
02:40:38,790 --> 02:40:36,560
for ufo and

4360
02:40:41,110 --> 02:40:38,800
paranormal research society what

4361
02:40:42,550 --> 02:40:41,120
happened was i called the board you know

4362
02:40:44,389 --> 02:40:42,560
right after i was dismissed i said hey

4363
02:40:45,990 --> 02:40:44,399
we need to have a meeting and i'll let

4364
02:40:47,830 --> 02:40:46,000
him know and so we met at a restaurant

4365
02:40:49,190 --> 02:40:47,840
and i said look this is what's happened

4366
02:40:50,389 --> 02:40:49,200
what do you guys want to do do you want

4367
02:40:52,630 --> 02:40:50,399
to keep going with this or do you want

4368
02:40:53,670 --> 02:40:52,640
to you know stop

4369
02:40:55,349 --> 02:40:53,680
now

4370
02:40:57,510 --> 02:40:55,359
and again i'm going to cut you off

4371
02:41:00,230 --> 02:40:57,520
really quick the

4372
02:41:01,190 --> 02:41:00,240
board that i see now

4373
02:41:03,030 --> 02:41:01,200
oh

4374
02:41:04,630 --> 02:41:03,040
those are the same people that i saw at

4375
02:41:07,110 --> 02:41:04,640
mufon la

4376
02:41:08,710 --> 02:41:07,120
five years ago so still the handful of

4377
02:41:10,870 --> 02:41:08,720
you know that right everybody that i see

4378
02:41:12,389 --> 02:41:10,880
at the u powers meetings are the same

4379
02:41:15,750 --> 02:41:12,399
people that were

4380
02:41:17,349 --> 02:41:15,760
right there for mufon right so basically

4381
02:41:19,510 --> 02:41:17,359
i'm going to put words in your mouth but

4382
02:41:21,910 --> 02:41:19,520
i want to ask the question did the board

4383
02:41:23,349 --> 02:41:21,920
go with you when you left mufon and

4384
02:41:24,550 --> 02:41:23,359
started you pars

4385
02:41:25,910 --> 02:41:24,560
the core

4386
02:41:27,990 --> 02:41:25,920
group

4387
02:41:30,070 --> 02:41:28,000
more or less you know i was prepared to

4388
02:41:31,590 --> 02:41:30,080
just put it all down you know right

4389
02:41:33,269 --> 02:41:31,600
because we didn't have that uh

4390
02:41:34,070 --> 02:41:33,279
infrastructure

4391
02:41:41,510 --> 02:41:34,080
or

4392
02:41:42,790 --> 02:41:41,520
said well what do you want to do now the

4393
02:41:45,030 --> 02:41:42,800
one thing that i learned through all

4394
02:41:46,870 --> 02:41:45,040
this research in my 13 years was you

4395
02:41:49,190 --> 02:41:46,880
know the one thing that the shortcoming

4396
02:41:52,630 --> 02:41:49,200
of mufon is it only researches you you

4397
02:41:55,429 --> 02:41:52,640
fall ufos ufology you know related and

4398
02:41:57,670 --> 02:41:55,439
but it it discounts related phenomenon

4399
02:42:00,070 --> 02:41:57,680
that actually do occur like for example

4400
02:42:01,429 --> 02:42:00,080
during sightings you may have telepathy

4401
02:42:03,429 --> 02:42:01,439
you may have some sort of telepathy

4402
02:42:04,630 --> 02:42:03,439
thing you may have poltergeist if some

4403
02:42:06,469 --> 02:42:04,640
somebody's being abducted they have a

4404
02:42:07,990 --> 02:42:06,479
lot of poltergeist phenomena happening

4405
02:42:09,269 --> 02:42:08,000
around them so all these things are

4406
02:42:10,830 --> 02:42:09,279
connected right

4407
02:42:14,070 --> 02:42:10,840
but that's

4408
02:42:16,230 --> 02:42:14,080
ignored not not entirely but it's pushed

4409
02:42:19,429 --> 02:42:16,240
off to the side it's not part of

4410
02:42:22,389 --> 02:42:19,439
ufology mufon ufology and so

4411
02:42:24,710 --> 02:42:22,399
i think we needed kind of a better more

4412
02:42:25,750 --> 02:42:24,720
all-encompassing solution to the problem

4413
02:42:27,510 --> 02:42:25,760
so

4414
02:42:28,469 --> 02:42:27,520
i got together with everyone i said what

4415
02:42:29,750 --> 02:42:28,479
do you want to do and they said we want

4416
02:42:31,269 --> 02:42:29,760
to keep going and i said okay what do

4417
02:42:32,790 --> 02:42:31,279
you want to call it

4418
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:32,800
so we sat there in the little booth in

4419
02:42:36,550 --> 02:42:34,800
the restaurant and came up with the ufo

4420
02:42:38,710 --> 02:42:36,560
and paranormal research society and

4421
02:42:40,230 --> 02:42:38,720
there we are

4422
02:42:42,150 --> 02:42:40,240
then we still meet on the third tuesday

4423
02:42:43,429 --> 02:42:42,160
of every month

4424
02:42:45,190 --> 02:42:43,439
how many people

4425
02:42:45,990 --> 02:42:45,200
do you have now as far as membership

4426
02:42:48,469 --> 02:42:46,000
goes

4427
02:42:51,269 --> 02:42:48,479
on the meetup site we have 800 and

4428
02:42:53,590 --> 02:42:51,279
something members that's incredible

4429
02:42:55,110 --> 02:42:53,600
we did the majority of and i hope you

4430
02:42:58,309 --> 02:42:55,120
don't mind me asking

4431
02:42:59,190 --> 02:42:58,319
did mufon basically turn into u-pars

4432
02:43:01,510 --> 02:42:59,200
yeah

4433
02:43:03,910 --> 02:43:01,520
mufon turned into u-pars and i was able

4434
02:43:06,230 --> 02:43:03,920
to migrate the entire database without

4435
02:43:08,630 --> 02:43:06,240
you know and i got root

4436
02:43:09,830 --> 02:43:08,640
well i didn't i mean you know meetup

4437
02:43:11,990 --> 02:43:09,840
did that for me i didn't have to do

4438
02:43:13,349 --> 02:43:12,000
anything oh okay yeah oh i got you i got

4439
02:43:15,269 --> 02:43:13,359
you okay so

4440
02:43:17,510 --> 02:43:15,279
i took off all the mufon

4441
02:43:19,990 --> 02:43:17,520
logo and mufon name and all that out of

4442
02:43:21,910 --> 02:43:20,000
the meetup site and became upars and so

4443
02:43:23,429 --> 02:43:21,920
now that's what we do and we have great

4444
02:43:24,790 --> 02:43:23,439
meetings we still have great speakers we

4445
02:43:27,750 --> 02:43:24,800
had richard dillon as you know you were

4446
02:43:29,590 --> 02:43:27,760
there uh we've got ken gerhart a guy

4447
02:43:31,269 --> 02:43:29,600
coming to talk to us next month april

4448
02:43:33,670 --> 02:43:31,279
15th i think it is he's going to be

4449
02:43:35,030 --> 02:43:33,680
talking about flying humanoids which is

4450
02:43:36,790 --> 02:43:35,040
an interesting topic that not too many

4451
02:43:39,510 --> 02:43:36,800
people specialize in you see and that's

4452
02:43:41,670 --> 02:43:39,520
something that would never ever

4453
02:43:43,750 --> 02:43:41,680
um be at a move-on meeting right exactly

4454
02:43:45,429 --> 02:43:43,760
you never but people love to hear about

4455
02:43:46,630 --> 02:43:45,439
stuff like that because the underground

4456
02:43:48,070 --> 02:43:46,640
bases

4457
02:43:50,070 --> 02:43:48,080
never had a move-on meeting right

4458
02:43:51,990 --> 02:43:50,080
exactly dulce and all that stuff never

4459
02:43:54,230 --> 02:43:52,000
had a mufon meeting um

4460
02:43:56,469 --> 02:43:54,240
you might not hear about time travel you

4461
02:43:58,710 --> 02:43:56,479
might not hear it right you know ghosts

4462
02:44:00,309 --> 02:43:58,720
or you might not hear about whatever

4463
02:44:01,269 --> 02:44:00,319
you know it's just not

4464
02:44:03,190 --> 02:44:01,279
you know

4465
02:44:04,070 --> 02:44:03,200
mufon is they want nuts and bolts man

4466
02:44:06,630 --> 02:44:04,080
now

4467
02:44:08,790 --> 02:44:06,640
is that chapter to chapter and move on i

4468
02:44:10,950 --> 02:44:08,800
mean is there chapters to move on that

4469
02:44:12,070 --> 02:44:10,960
would deal with underground bases i

4470
02:44:14,469 --> 02:44:12,080
think there are a lot of open-minded

4471
02:44:16,309 --> 02:44:14,479
people within the mufon organization you

4472
02:44:17,429 --> 02:44:16,319
know what i mean but it's

4473
02:44:23,670 --> 02:44:17,439
it's

4474
02:44:25,990 --> 02:44:23,680
ufos basically

4475
02:44:27,510 --> 02:44:26,000
and sometimes it does that in a good way

4476
02:44:28,389 --> 02:44:27,520
and sometimes not so good you know what

4477
02:44:30,469 --> 02:44:28,399
i mean

4478
02:44:31,910 --> 02:44:30,479
um but it seems like they should learn

4479
02:44:32,950 --> 02:44:31,920
something from this

4480
02:44:34,550 --> 02:44:32,960
you know

4481
02:44:36,389 --> 02:44:34,560
you guys were the biggest chapter but

4482
02:44:39,110 --> 02:44:36,399
not only that

4483
02:44:41,750 --> 02:44:39,120
i i go to the meetings yeah and i know

4484
02:44:43,910 --> 02:44:41,760
who i see there and i know who i

4485
02:44:46,790 --> 02:44:43,920
saw there before i know who i see there

4486
02:44:48,230 --> 02:44:46,800
now it's the same

4487
02:44:50,389 --> 02:44:48,240
mindset

4488
02:44:51,830 --> 02:44:50,399
that is there right

4489
02:44:53,590 --> 02:44:51,840
only now they're getting more

4490
02:44:54,870 --> 02:44:53,600
information about various topics that

4491
02:44:56,630 --> 02:44:54,880
they're interested in you know i mean

4492
02:44:58,870 --> 02:44:56,640
besides ufos

4493
02:45:00,950 --> 02:44:58,880
so it's kind of cool i like it well if

4494
02:45:03,349 --> 02:45:00,960
you have a what did

4495
02:45:05,750 --> 02:45:03,359
what did you guys do

4496
02:45:07,349 --> 02:45:05,760
oh man i don't mean to be

4497
02:45:09,830 --> 02:45:07,359
because it's kind of funny when

4498
02:45:11,110 --> 02:45:09,840
when i think about it like this what did

4499
02:45:12,830 --> 02:45:11,120
you do at the meetings when he had

4500
02:45:15,190 --> 02:45:12,840
nothing to talk

4501
02:45:16,309 --> 02:45:15,200
about we always have something to talk

4502
02:45:17,830 --> 02:45:16,319
about

4503
02:45:19,510 --> 02:45:17,840
what do you mean

4504
02:45:20,630 --> 02:45:19,520
what if what if there were no sightings

4505
02:45:22,469 --> 02:45:20,640
that month where there's no

4506
02:45:24,950 --> 02:45:22,479
investigations what if there was nothing

4507
02:45:26,469 --> 02:45:24,960
to report on that field investigators

4508
02:45:27,990 --> 02:45:26,479
had nothing to do what happened a lot

4509
02:45:30,469 --> 02:45:28,000
that the

4510
02:45:32,150 --> 02:45:30,479
yeah i'd go hey alex

4511
02:45:33,910 --> 02:45:32,160
i'd call him out in the middle of a

4512
02:45:35,590 --> 02:45:33,920
meeting alex uh there's my director of

4513
02:45:36,790 --> 02:45:35,600
field investigations any new sightings

4514
02:45:39,990 --> 02:45:36,800
to talk about

4515
02:45:41,590 --> 02:45:40,000
nope not a one you know

4516
02:45:43,190 --> 02:45:41,600
right you know but it was cool you know

4517
02:45:44,870 --> 02:45:43,200
that sometimes it was like that

4518
02:45:46,469 --> 02:45:44,880
sometimes it was like we'd go for years

4519
02:45:47,670 --> 02:45:46,479
and it was like tumbleweeds i remember

4520
02:45:49,910 --> 02:45:47,680
there were like two or three years where

4521
02:45:51,429 --> 02:45:49,920
there's like almost nothing per month

4522
02:45:53,429 --> 02:45:51,439
maybe one or two signings a month and

4523
02:45:55,429 --> 02:45:53,439
then towards the end there it was like

4524
02:45:57,349 --> 02:45:55,439
every other day something was going on

4525
02:45:58,870 --> 02:45:57,359
right some sighting the coolest stuff

4526
02:46:00,710 --> 02:45:58,880
was black triangles a lot of black

4527
02:46:03,030 --> 02:46:00,720
triangles flying around la these days or

4528
02:46:05,190 --> 02:46:03,040
there were right and you know multiple

4529
02:46:06,950 --> 02:46:05,200
sightings you know witnessing pv and

4530
02:46:08,230 --> 02:46:06,960
then another witness in laguna beach

4531
02:46:10,070 --> 02:46:08,240
same night you know

4532
02:46:11,910 --> 02:46:10,080
separated by a few minutes maybe you

4533
02:46:14,070 --> 02:46:11,920
know 10 minutes or something and you

4534
02:46:15,990 --> 02:46:14,080
know one lady watches one like hover

4535
02:46:17,269 --> 02:46:16,000
above her place in san diego or her

4536
02:46:18,389 --> 02:46:17,279
workplace

4537
02:46:19,750 --> 02:46:18,399
you know she's getting there early

4538
02:46:21,110 --> 02:46:19,760
because she goes to the gym early and

4539
02:46:22,870 --> 02:46:21,120
then she goes to her work and there's

4540
02:46:24,070 --> 02:46:22,880
this black triangle thing sitting above

4541
02:46:26,630 --> 02:46:24,080
a parking lot and she doesn't know what

4542
02:46:28,630 --> 02:46:26,640
it is and crazy stuff and i i mean i

4543
02:46:30,230 --> 02:46:28,640
interviewed this lady she's a qualcomm

4544
02:46:31,590 --> 02:46:30,240
executive right and she's like you know

4545
02:46:33,590 --> 02:46:31,600
you can tell this lady's making money

4546
02:46:36,230 --> 02:46:33,600
she's not a dummy and she was just

4547
02:46:38,630 --> 02:46:36,240
telling me what she saw

4548
02:46:41,670 --> 02:46:38,640
what was the best uh what was the peak

4549
02:46:44,150 --> 02:46:41,680
year out of the 13 years there did was

4550
02:46:46,230 --> 02:46:44,160
there one trash the number of sites yeah

4551
02:46:47,590 --> 02:46:46,240
yeah it's probably 2012.

4552
02:46:52,309 --> 02:46:47,600
really yeah

4553
02:46:54,230 --> 02:46:52,319
yeah 20. 2000 not 2001. 2012 was a

4554
02:46:55,190 --> 02:46:54,240
boatload of sightings a boatload of

4555
02:46:56,790 --> 02:46:55,200
sightings

4556
02:46:58,790 --> 02:46:56,800
yeah it was like

4557
02:47:01,030 --> 02:46:58,800
they were coming out of the woodwork and

4558
02:47:03,349 --> 02:47:01,040
was this uh around los angeles or

4559
02:47:05,110 --> 02:47:03,359
another part of california all well i'm

4560
02:47:06,550 --> 02:47:05,120
only dealing with la so it was happening

4561
02:47:08,230 --> 02:47:06,560
everywhere but i was dealing with just

4562
02:47:09,830 --> 02:47:08,240
los angeles and but it was happening

4563
02:47:11,830 --> 02:47:09,840
everywhere and people couldn't keep up

4564
02:47:12,950 --> 02:47:11,840
with the sighting reports

4565
02:47:15,510 --> 02:47:12,960
who if

4566
02:47:17,030 --> 02:47:15,520
you know you're saying just la but i

4567
02:47:19,269 --> 02:47:17,040
would assume that your field

4568
02:47:21,349 --> 02:47:19,279
investigators would go

4569
02:47:23,670 --> 02:47:21,359
outside of l.a would they go to joshua

4570
02:47:25,269 --> 02:47:23,680
tree should they go to bakersfield sure

4571
02:47:28,230 --> 02:47:25,279
but you know some of those cases would

4572
02:47:29,990 --> 02:47:28,240
fall under other other purviews so like

4573
02:47:32,070 --> 02:47:30,000
you know there's mufon ventura there's

4574
02:47:34,230 --> 02:47:32,080
mufon san bernardino there you know

4575
02:47:36,150 --> 02:47:34,240
there were different investigators in

4576
02:47:38,309 --> 02:47:36,160
those areas that would like ventura you

4577
02:47:40,070 --> 02:47:38,319
know so if you had a case in ventura if

4578
02:47:41,990 --> 02:47:40,080
you cross the border then yeah you would

4579
02:47:44,309 --> 02:47:42,000
you know if you were chasing it if it

4580
02:47:46,150 --> 02:47:44,319
originated in your area

4581
02:47:49,110 --> 02:47:46,160
and it went across and ontario was still

4582
02:47:50,469 --> 02:47:49,120
your case we had some a cool case in

4583
02:47:52,950 --> 02:47:50,479
santa clarita

4584
02:47:54,950 --> 02:47:52,960
which but it crossed into ventura it was

4585
02:47:57,590 --> 02:47:54,960
a cool case because

4586
02:48:00,150 --> 02:47:57,600
the town saw the ufo are you talking

4587
02:48:01,750 --> 02:48:00,160
about pine no i'm talking about a case

4588
02:48:03,269 --> 02:48:01,760
that actually happened in the suburbs of

4589
02:48:04,550 --> 02:48:03,279
santa clarita oh i haven't heard about

4590
02:48:06,750 --> 02:48:04,560
this yeah and you didn't hear about it

4591
02:48:09,590 --> 02:48:06,760
it was uh i would say

4592
02:48:11,670 --> 02:48:09,600
2010 or 2011.

4593
02:48:13,030 --> 02:48:11,680
and it was in the you know the the town

4594
02:48:15,990 --> 02:48:13,040
of santa clarita has their own little

4595
02:48:18,150 --> 02:48:16,000
online uh magazine so to speak community

4596
02:48:20,790 --> 02:48:18,160
magazine right was reported there and it

4597
02:48:22,150 --> 02:48:20,800
was this um i know two people who live

4598
02:48:24,950 --> 02:48:22,160
in santa clarita hang glider buddies of

4599
02:48:26,070 --> 02:48:24,960
mine who uh saw it saw the lights they

4600
02:48:27,349 --> 02:48:26,080
didn't see the object they saw the

4601
02:48:30,630 --> 02:48:27,359
lights people were walking their dogs it

4602
02:48:32,389 --> 02:48:30,640
happened around 7 30 p.m uh it was a

4603
02:48:34,550 --> 02:48:32,399
triangle sighting

4604
02:48:36,469 --> 02:48:34,560
it uh it was you know lighting up the

4605
02:48:37,510 --> 02:48:36,479
neighborhood people people from all over

4606
02:48:39,670 --> 02:48:37,520
saw it

4607
02:48:41,429 --> 02:48:39,680
and the cool part was some jets were

4608
02:48:42,630 --> 02:48:41,439
scrambled on it

4609
02:48:45,510 --> 02:48:42,640
really yeah

4610
02:48:47,590 --> 02:48:45,520
and when i my buddy who's a hang glider

4611
02:48:49,349 --> 02:48:47,600
pilot he's an aviator for his whole life

4612
02:48:52,309 --> 02:48:49,359
right i said well what kind of jet was

4613
02:48:53,510 --> 02:48:52,319
it he said it was an f-18

4614
02:48:55,429 --> 02:48:53,520
so

4615
02:48:56,630 --> 02:48:55,439
that's navy jet

4616
02:48:58,550 --> 02:48:56,640
or a marine corps job but probably a

4617
02:49:00,950 --> 02:48:58,560
navy jet at a point

4618
02:49:03,110 --> 02:49:00,960
yeah so yeah this the jets scrambled

4619
02:49:04,630 --> 02:49:03,120
they they flew it they chased it and it

4620
02:49:07,030 --> 02:49:04,640
flew off

4621
02:49:09,670 --> 02:49:07,040
with jets jets you know after burner's a

4622
02:49:11,190 --> 02:49:09,680
blazing man it was a good sighting

4623
02:49:13,510 --> 02:49:11,200
in santa

4624
02:49:14,950 --> 02:49:13,520
santa clarita man just down the road man

4625
02:49:17,750 --> 02:49:14,960
that's right that's probably what 10

4626
02:49:20,150 --> 02:49:17,760
minutes away from here at least i mean

4627
02:49:22,469 --> 02:49:20,160
15 minutes or something 15 minutes you'd

4628
02:49:24,469 --> 02:49:22,479
pass it yeah yeah exactly so that

4629
02:49:25,349 --> 02:49:24,479
happened wow that was a cool sighting

4630
02:49:28,309 --> 02:49:25,359
wow

4631
02:49:30,309 --> 02:49:28,319
yeah well you know i'm always uh you

4632
02:49:32,309 --> 02:49:30,319
know i at the house i'll go out in the

4633
02:49:33,910 --> 02:49:32,319
backyard and i haven't gotten a

4634
02:49:35,670 --> 02:49:33,920
telescope yet

4635
02:49:37,670 --> 02:49:35,680
and by the way anybody listening right

4636
02:49:40,309 --> 02:49:37,680
now that wants to recommend a cool

4637
02:49:42,950 --> 02:49:40,319
telescope i would like to uh you know

4638
02:49:44,550 --> 02:49:42,960
pull the trigger here very very soon of

4639
02:49:48,630 --> 02:49:44,560
course i've been saying this for 10

4640
02:49:51,590 --> 02:49:48,640
years but in the last year i've really

4641
02:49:52,630 --> 02:49:51,600
and and rita wants to get one up so

4642
02:49:55,110 --> 02:49:52,640
um

4643
02:49:56,790 --> 02:49:55,120
and i just want to uh start looking to

4644
02:49:59,590 --> 02:49:56,800
the heavens and i do

4645
02:50:01,510 --> 02:49:59,600
mojave's so close yeah the 14 is right

4646
02:50:02,950 --> 02:50:01,520
there the 14 for everybody out there is

4647
02:50:04,630 --> 02:50:02,960
the freeway that goes in the mojave

4648
02:50:05,510 --> 02:50:04,640
desert and out there is where they do

4649
02:50:07,750 --> 02:50:05,520
all the

4650
02:50:09,750 --> 02:50:07,760
the skunk works testing and they have

4651
02:50:11,429 --> 02:50:09,760
their own air strip out there and

4652
02:50:13,429 --> 02:50:11,439
um but i would like to go out there

4653
02:50:15,510 --> 02:50:13,439
because there's no lights yeah and

4654
02:50:16,950 --> 02:50:15,520
there's really cool places to to go and

4655
02:50:18,790 --> 02:50:16,960
look so there's a campground red rock

4656
02:50:20,150 --> 02:50:18,800
you can go out there and uh you know

4657
02:50:21,590 --> 02:50:20,160
when the new moon comes you can go out

4658
02:50:23,990 --> 02:50:21,600
there and then there's like a bunch of

4659
02:50:26,309 --> 02:50:24,000
camp sites and set up there and do it

4660
02:50:28,630 --> 02:50:26,319
and that they go out there pine mountain

4661
02:50:30,550 --> 02:50:28,640
yeah pine mountain club awesome

4662
02:50:31,670 --> 02:50:30,560
um oh pine mountain i told you that

4663
02:50:32,710 --> 02:50:31,680
story yeah that's one of the best

4664
02:50:34,710 --> 02:50:32,720
stories

4665
02:50:37,750 --> 02:50:34,720
well uh we've got three minutes left

4666
02:50:39,190 --> 02:50:37,760
which means i've got one minute of show

4667
02:50:41,349 --> 02:50:39,200
and two you're gonna we're gonna talk

4668
02:50:45,190 --> 02:50:41,359
about the trumpets man ah we never got

4669
02:50:47,110 --> 02:50:45,200
to it the trump ragnarok yeah

4670
02:50:49,910 --> 02:50:47,120
you know this is the thing about the

4671
02:50:52,790 --> 02:50:49,920
trumpets and i'm surprised and and oh

4672
02:50:54,790 --> 02:50:52,800
gee brad i'm looking at your email

4673
02:50:56,710 --> 02:50:54,800
um i'm sorry i didn't get to it tonight

4674
02:50:58,630 --> 02:50:56,720
brother um

4675
02:50:59,830 --> 02:50:58,640
but uh and he says you know i've never

4676
02:51:01,190 --> 02:50:59,840
shared this before you know what i'm

4677
02:51:03,190 --> 02:51:01,200
gonna end the show with this okay here

4678
02:51:05,030 --> 02:51:03,200
we go brad do it it's long but here we

4679
02:51:07,349 --> 02:51:05,040
go never shared this before my only

4680
02:51:10,309 --> 02:51:07,359
experience fall of 1985 i was stationed

4681
02:51:12,150 --> 02:51:10,319
at fort hood driving from copper's cove

4682
02:51:15,429 --> 02:51:12,160
to gatesville on a two-lane road that

4683
02:51:17,349 --> 02:51:15,439
ran beside to the west of fort hood

4684
02:51:20,070 --> 02:51:17,359
me and my wife looked up and saw this

4685
02:51:22,389 --> 02:51:20,080
huge black triangle that was about 300

4686
02:51:24,230 --> 02:51:22,399
feet across and was moving west very

4687
02:51:25,830 --> 02:51:24,240
slowly i pulled over turned off the car

4688
02:51:28,630 --> 02:51:25,840
and realized the thing was making no

4689
02:51:32,389 --> 02:51:28,640
noise not a sound it appeared to be less

4690
02:51:34,309 --> 02:51:32,399
than 1 000 feet high several of the cars

4691
02:51:35,269 --> 02:51:34,319
pulled over and watched the thing with

4692
02:51:39,590 --> 02:51:35,279
us

4693
02:51:41,670 --> 02:51:39,600
across the sky and then finally it

4694
02:51:44,469 --> 02:51:41,680
accelerated to maybe 100 miles per hour

4695
02:51:47,030 --> 02:51:44,479
and began to climb westward a moment

4696
02:51:49,830 --> 02:51:47,040
later two apache helicopters came over

4697
02:51:52,389 --> 02:51:49,840
us from where the triangle had appeared

4698
02:51:55,110 --> 02:51:52,399
it they looked to be chasing it everyone

4699
02:51:57,190 --> 02:51:55,120
watched and looked at each other others

4700
02:51:59,190 --> 02:51:57,200
at each other and shrugged we didn't

4701
02:52:01,190 --> 02:51:59,200
know what to think i finally convinced

4702
02:52:02,230 --> 02:52:01,200
myself that it was something that we

4703
02:52:04,550 --> 02:52:02,240
made

4704
02:52:06,950 --> 02:52:04,560
it had come from the part of fort hood

4705
02:52:09,429 --> 02:52:06,960
where the air base was located i'm still

4706
02:52:11,429 --> 02:52:09,439
not sure exactly what it was my guess

4707
02:52:13,030 --> 02:52:11,439
would be a solid

4708
02:52:18,950 --> 02:52:13,040
airship

4709
02:52:20,630 --> 02:52:18,960
wow yeah good siding yeah that's a good

4710
02:52:22,790 --> 02:52:20,640
signing that's a real one good setting

4711
02:52:25,349 --> 02:52:22,800
multiple witnesses multiple apache

4712
02:52:27,030 --> 02:52:25,359
helicopters chasing it now obviously

4713
02:52:29,190 --> 02:52:27,040
helicopters are not going to be able to

4714
02:52:30,870 --> 02:52:29,200
keep up with a ufo right right so

4715
02:52:33,830 --> 02:52:30,880
they're either escorting it or they're

4716
02:52:34,790 --> 02:52:33,840
just trying to shoo it away

4717
02:52:36,389 --> 02:52:34,800
well

4718
02:52:38,630 --> 02:52:36,399
steve marillo

4719
02:52:40,710 --> 02:52:38,640
as always

4720
02:52:42,790 --> 02:52:40,720
it's a pleasure it was my pleasure to be

4721
02:52:45,510 --> 02:52:42,800
here was an honor oh man jimmy thank you

4722
02:52:48,630 --> 02:52:45,520
man no thank you steve and uh go check

4723
02:52:50,070 --> 02:52:48,640
out youpars on meetup and uh always good

4724
02:52:51,750 --> 02:52:50,080
stuff going out there the first tuesday

4725
02:52:53,990 --> 02:52:51,760
of every month stay tuned third tuesday

4726
02:52:56,150 --> 02:52:54,000
third two third tuesday coming up next

4727
02:52:58,150 --> 02:52:56,160
is excellent explorations with michio

4728
02:53:00,710 --> 02:52:58,160
kaku and then after dark live with my

4729
02:53:02,550 --> 02:53:00,720
man brian alvarez special thanks to

4730
02:53:04,550 --> 02:53:02,560
keith roland and arbel

4731
02:53:07,590 --> 02:53:04,560
faded black executive producers rita

4732
02:53:10,230 --> 02:53:07,600
kumarian shows produced by hilton j palm

4733
02:53:12,230 --> 02:53:10,240
and mark d kovar the announcers are

4734
02:53:13,830 --> 02:53:12,240
steve harder and mark d kovar music is

4735
02:53:15,110 --> 02:53:13,840
by doug aldrich you're listening to him

4736
02:53:17,830 --> 02:53:15,120
right now

4737
02:53:21,030 --> 02:53:17,840
faded black is produced by kjcr for the

4738
02:53:23,030 --> 02:53:21,040
dark matter radio network have a great

4739
02:53:40,630 --> 02:53:23,040
weekend everybody thank you steve thank

4740
02:53:40,640 --> 02:54:00,550
so